Yas: PP7 won't be the pick

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I didn't cut gamble you always have two starters at CB :eek:

the dude has made every indication that he doesn't wanna play here and the FO doesn't necessarily want him here either. can you say the same about CJ or anyone else you named? and DT is probably the deepest position in this draft. it can be easily remedied why is that so f*cking hard for you to grasp?

basically you're cool with munnerlyn and gamble sitting across from ryan/brees/freeman

ok dude

Are you cool with the Bucs, Falcons and Saints corners sitting across from Clausen and Pike?

I know which side seems like more of a mismatch to me.

[Swarly]

While I disagree with the logic on why it's dumb to take a cornerback with the #1 pick, I never really expected Peterson to be the first pick. It's going to be Dareus or a QB IMO.

[SorthNarolina]

So you just cut Chris Gamble? Even if Marshall leaves.....Gamble and Captain is a stronger duo than where we currently stand at...

QB, DT, DE, RG, and RT (if Otah can't play).

QBs - bigger need than CB

DTs- bigger need than CB

so at BEST CB would be the 3rd biggest need.

Now DEs, we have Johnson who has NO CONTRACT and then no starting DE on the other side. Brown is a situational guy at best. Now our young rookie last year is now being vastly overrated. He played a fraction of downs and it is too optimist to pencil him in as a starting caliber DE. He also has a history of injury problems.

if we our gonna assume Marshall goes you got to legimately consider Johnson at DE could go, Otah might not ever be healthy, etc. The entire right side of the OL would consist of what?

Let's hear your arguement on how......

Gamble, Captain, Marshall......is a weaker position than the above.....you can remove Marshall as well and what is left still isn't as pathetic as the above pending the same thought process is used at other positions.

i don't disagree with much of what you said but saying that people should consider johnson a risk to leave because marshall is a risk to leave is not true.

marshall has been unhappy for a year or so and he's said he doesn't feel like they want him back. They haven't tendered him very high either.

johnson has said he wants to be back and they have tendered him the highest they could.

They aren't comparable. We have the cap room to keep whoever we want possibly losing 1 valuable player. The most likely valuable player would be williams. Davis, Kalil, Beason(i think he gets extension), and Johnson are that "core" that hurney talks about.

[pantherclaw]

QB, DT, and even DE, RG can all be argued as bigger needs than CB. Otah's unpredictablity could add to those needs as he probably will tear something else soon.

Name the starters at those positions.....then name the starters at CB.

Let's pick apart a CRA post, haven't done that in awhile.

Let's start with QB. Everyone states how qb is a big need. I fail to see how adding a rookie to 3 already young quarterbacks, improves our qb situation, especially going into this season. If the panthers truly feel they found their guy, fine....BUT, I think the real need here is we need better play from the quarterback position.

Can't remember who said moore can only be an average qb, but I disagreem I've seen the guy cut defenses apart, and spread the ball around quite well. Didn't happen last season, since the rest of the offense failed to help him, but I have seen it. He is capable. Once he regains that swagger, he could be quite dangerous. This isn't to say I'm against bring in more competition at the position, but a rookie isn't going to bring the competition that is really needed.

Next position you mentioned, defensive tackle. Now this is the position of our greatest need entering the draft. While you can say it's a deep draft, it will be easier to draft other positions at other rounds, than. It will be to get an impact DT from day 1. Dareus is that guy.

Defensive end. Johnson will get a new contract. No way hurney let's rivera lose his top pass rusher. We also have several other young guys that can play. Improve the middle of the line, and I bet you'll also see immediate improvement from every other defensive end, including everyone's bitch, e. Brown.

Guard, you can get good guards in later rounds. Never waste the top pick in the draft on a guard, period.

So. Really, the only argument anyone can make is defensive tackle is a bigger need than top flight CB. All other arguments have serious holes in them.

[Matt Moore]

Are you cool with the Bucs, Falcons and Saints corners sitting across from Clausen and Pike?

I know which side seems like more of a mismatch to me.

pickles and pike aren't starters. gamble/munnerlyn are.

see the difference? munny is going to get absolutely demolished when he gets moved up. pretty obvious which side is weaker

[Matt Moore]

you said

if marshall's gone we have munnerlyn, mcclain and stanford

that omits Gamble. If Marshall goes we have Gamble, Captain (who was solid at the end of last year when Gamble went to the bench), McClain, Stanford. Captain lacks ideal size but the kid is definaetly solid. Gamble and Captain are probably just as good as both tandems when we played in both our NFCCGs. Pass rush > CBs.

QB is easily the biggest need along with DT.

We have zero starting caliber DTs in Carolina. You can't just pick one up in the 3rd or 4th round and think your problem is solved b/c it is a "deep draft".

I am a lot cooler with Gamble/Captain if it came down to it.....then our existing QB, DTs......and pending how things go our entire right side of the OL and (2nd)DE position. If Charles Johnson leaves we wouldn't have a single person on the entire defensive line that was legit.......who plays corner would be irrelevent with that DL.

when marshall is gone thats whos behind him. stop acting dumb.

and if you can't fix the DT prob in the later rounds(in reality you can, but..) then who the feck do you wanna pick? there's not gonna be poo at QB or CB either.

[JawnyBlaze]

DT and CB both probably can and will be addressed in FA (in addition to draft picks). QB can't. That's why I've gotten more comfortable with the idea of taking Cam first.

[pantherj]

Well we drafted Armanti. Let his ass do kick returns.

He can't catch.

[JawnyBlaze]

Goodson is good at kick returns anyway, we just need a punt returner.

[unicar15]

There is a different "best CB in the league" every year. Sure they are all consistently good but most of them have one or two dominant years and then the next year they have a mediocre year. Bailey, Samuel, Asomugah, Revis have all been hailed as "best DB in the league" at some point in the last 5 years. Its a different player every year...The #1 pick is not the place to select a guy like that. We need to go QB and hopefully we know by now which one has the most promise.

I like Ras-I Dowling and Brandon Harris if they last. I'm interested to see Rivera's draft strategy. Do we go DT with our second pick or DB?

[micnificent28]

dowling is going in the second. however this might be a guy i was willing to trade up for. not for a first round pick next year tho.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

pickles and pike aren't starters. gamble/munnerlyn are.

see the difference? munny is going to get absolutely demolished when he gets moved up. pretty obvious which side is weaker

Matt Moore is a free agent next year, leaving Clausen and Pike as our only quarterbacks on the roster (unless I'm mistaken). So right now, barring the draft and free agency, Clausen is our starting quarterback.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember Munnerlyn playing as the No. 2 corner quite a bit last year, and it seemed he did well at it.

I think Munnerlyn is far better a corner than Clausen is a quarterback.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

There is a different "best CB in the league" every year. Sure they are all consistently good but most of them have one or two dominant years and then the next year they have a mediocre year. Bailey, Samuel, Asomugah, Revis have all been hailed as "best DB in the league" at some point in the last 5 years. Its a different player every year...

Don't forget about Cromartie!

[Lords0fPain]

yeah i kind of thought the same thing when i heard him say that about returning kicks. green is starting to look like a serious option now!!

I'd love green, but QB is a bigger need (even if we lose Smitty). After what Total access said today, RR saying Cam IS WORTHY of the #1 pick and they will address the biggest team need...me thinks it will QB and Cam (as he has had MULTIPLE interviews with us). :eek: