Not a reach, and not gonna set us back.

[teeray]

Keeping Jake after his play started to decline and not looking for replacements with talent in the first round all those years set us back...

This :iagree: Even if Jake was still going to play. After he struggles to regain his form post surgery you start putting pieces in place to ensure you don't end up in this situation.

[Highlandfire]

Having an aging guy that is beyond his prime getting paid and not getting a younger guy some time does set you back.

Equally bad is reaching for a Rookie that has a ton of question marks instead of taking a shot on a guy like Bradford that is a clear cut #1 and has a really great shot at being a franchise QB.

Again ALL the QB's in this draft have more ? than previous classes and there is no clear cut franchise guy.

[Highlandfire]

This :iagree: Even if Jake was still going to play. After he struggles to regain his form post surgery you start putting pieces in place to ensure you don't end up in this situation.

Correct. Matt Moore should have had a ton more games under his belt by the time they had him take over.

[Tarheels23]

If there is someone we just HAVE to have in the second we can trade back in if we have to. We have two thirds and we can use one or both in a package to get back in the second.

Really DT is so deep this year there will be some good ones in the third.

This is exactly how we get back into the 2nd round. We could easily get a 2nd round pick by trading our two 3rd round picks. Trading up is the best way to get back into the 2nd round.

[Peppers90 NC]

Some of us are comfortable at 2-14, and dont want to ruin the magic we have going on right now. Losing is the "status quo". :hurray:

maybe you should get some winning priorities, even tho i see you enjoy being at the bottom

[Tarheels23]

If we trade a future 1st again there will be hell to pay.

The good thing about our two 3rd's is that one of them is right after the 2nd round so we could still maybe luck out and grab someone who fell.

Which in fact could be looked at as our 2nd round pick, while our conditional 3rd round pick becomes our 3rd round pick.

[Tarheels23]

Actually, from what I've read, we can't trade comp picks. You may want to confirm. Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying and we can probably use a future pick (I know that's not popular thinking on the Huddle) and combined it with a pick this year to move into the 2nd if there's a player we feel is worth it.

You're correct! I read the same thing, so our 3rd round pick is essentially a 2nd round pick, and our conditional 3rd will serve as our 3rd.

[top dawg]

I am sorry you dont understand why pretty much every pick in this draft at #1 overall is a reach.

Next EVERY QB in this draft has more questions than positives esp at the #1 overall pick. When you take a guy #1 overall you are going to invest a ton of time and money into the guy. You fug up the pick, you waste the teams time and money. As for as QB we don't have a clear cut veteran starter that can get us going while this kid sits for 2 years (and every QB in this draft really does need at least 2 years on the bench. Aaron Rogers sat for 3).

Trading back and stockpiling picks = more shots at getting quality talent on your team. Would you rather sit with #1 or be in the position the Patriots are in with 1 Firsts, 2 seconds and 2 3rds this year? Any football fan worth a damn takes the pats situation every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Guess what? I bet the pats trade down again to get more picks for next year. That is why from top to bottom they have an extremely talented team each year.

This team has needs plural, you address those with more and more talent on the team, the way to do that is stockpile more picks and have more guys to add to the team.

As for as setting a franchise back, Ask Arizona and esp Detroit how fuging up top 5 picks screwed their franchise. Hell ask Buffalo for that matter. Their team is full of other teams backups. It will take another 2 years to sort that mess out.

When you have #1 overall you don't reach (all QB's at #1 this year are a reach), and you don't fug up the pick. Sorry folks we got #1 overall in a really pooty year overall for the draft. Had we got to have free agency maybe things would be better but we don't and won't before the draft.

I am only 42 but I have seen teams year after year fug up the draft and more often than not it sets the team back. Ever wonder why more often than not.

I agree with your premise, in theory, I just don't believe that it applies this year, in our situation.

The Cards, and especially the Lions are historical bottom feeders. We aren't. Of late, Detroit's main problem was Matt Millen, which they got rid of. Marty Hurney > Matt Millen. Anybody > Matt Millen. Pre-Matt Millen, their teams never had half the talent or potential that our teams have had. In all the years, they never even sniffed a franchise QB. They didn't fug up the pick with Stafford because of his talent, IMHO, the jury is still out on Stafford who seems to be made of glass. His durability is the issue. Moreover, In the last thousand years (i.e., forever) I can argue that the only players of any significance that they've had on both sides of the ball are Megatron, Barry Sanders, and Billy Sims. Now, of course this is changing, as they have made some solid picks the last couple of years (Yes, Suh).

The Cards have been made up of the same cloth as the Lions. They have done very little throughout their history. Who can you name on the Cards at any position, much less a skill-position? Terry Metcalf (who never got rid of fumble-itis)? It wasn't until Wisenhunt brought in Kurt Warner (franchise QB extraordinaire) that these birds got off the ground. Beanie has not lived up to his billing because of his durability (and a touch of fumble-itis, that wasn't an issue in college), not because he doesn't have talent. But, like the Lions, the Cardinals have made some decent picks on both sides of the ball. There issues have not really been because of first round picks, their main issue is the departure of Kurt Warner. That's why they fell off the cliff.

The Panthers fell off a cliff because of bad business, not because of lack of talent. They hung their hat on the bad elbow of a slightly above average QB, and El Cheapo decided to go steroid owner on us, call in his chips, and put key positions in the hands of noobs (and near noobs), who weren't ready to compete. He "gambled" on another average QB who failed horribly, and ultimately ended up with a noob who was in no way ready to lead the team. We fell off the cliff because we had ultraconservative and uninspired coaching that failed to adapt to today's game. We fell off because we gave pink slips to Muhammad, Hoover, Kemo, and a few others. We fell off because we let Pep just walk into the sunset. We fell off because we didn't have the smarts to get a franchise QB a lot earlier.

We have talent, and we pretty much always have. IMHO, drafting hasn't been the real problem, is what we haven't drafted that's the real problem. Tell me I have blinders on, or call me a homer, but drafting decisions really haven't been the problem. It's the lack of acquiring a franchise level QB that has been the problem. We are no where near to being the Cards or the Lions. Moreover, funny you mention the Pats who have a franchise QB, Tom Brady. Our other needs can be addressed in the later rounds and/or in FA, even if we "reach" for a star with the first pick. I am not too concerned with money. El Cheapo has plenty of money. Player development, whether they came in the first (or first) or not comes with the territory.

The only way I'd trade this pick is for next year's first, or this year's first (provided it's in the top 8) and a second.

[Icege]

According to the huddle we were supposed to get the #1 pick to revolutionize the franchise, now theyre saying its a "luxury" pick.

Words are not efficient to express how much gratitude I have that none of you are deeply involved in the team's decision making process

[top dawg]

According to the huddle we were supposed to get the #1 pick to revolutionize the franchise, now theyre saying its a "luxury" pick.

Words are not efficient to express how much gratitude I have that none of you are deeply involved in the team's decision making process

I didn't call it a true luxury pick, I said that it was more akin to a luxury pick because of it's value or lack thereof, and that because of the lack of a consensus number 1, that it won't set us back for years if we decide to actually use the pick (even on a QB). Because of free agency and the depth of players at positions that we need in this draft, this pick will not break us, but could possibly help make us.

Moreover, it's not like the Huddle is one being, or a monolithic collection of like-minds when it comes to the decisions that the FO makes. I would like to think that we are all only on one accord when it comes to our love for the Carolina Panthers.

I do think I can speak for the Huddle when I say that we have no desire to be "deeply involved in team's decision making process." It is really not an enviable position. As fans, however, we do reserve the right to analyze and discuss the decision making progress.

[Peppers90 NC]

The only way I'd trade this pick is for next year's first, or this year's first (provided it's in the top 8) and a second.

wait, what? you would be willing to trade this years first for a first next year without getting one back this year? Makes no sense, I'll give you benefit of the doubt that after typing that mini-novel, you just overlooked the conclusion.

[top dawg]

wait, what? you would be willing to trade this years first for a first next year without getting one back this year? Makes no sense, I'll give you benefit of the doubt that after typing that mini-novel, you just overlooked the conclusion.

Why wouldn't it make sense? If there is no slam dunk, true franchise level QB available (and no one wants to bet the house that Newton is the real deal), and the later rounds in the draft, let alone free agency, will provide us with ample talent at other positions of need (talent that may ultimately outdo the Nicks, Von's and Marcel's of the draft), then why not just shoot for two first round picks next year (when Luck will be coming out, I might add)?

We really can live without a WR because of the young prospects that we already have, and PP does not want to return kicks, diminishing his value. Lastly, we still have hope that Pickles will prosper, and/or that the Double M will return to his pre-Tommy Jakeness, so there's the stop-gap at QB. Moreover, the season may be shortened anyway. Call the season a wash, err part of the rebuilding process, and look for a breakout season in 2012. Chances are that 2011 is not going to be so kind to us anyway because of the learning process between the coaches and players.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Oh, so basically this is a "I think that I madez teh awesome post and wantz every1 too kno becuz you can'tz beet me" thread.

Oh, btw. Noone cares.

[Peppers90 NC]

Why wouldn't it make sense? If there is no slam dunk, true franchise level QB available (and no one wants to bet the house that Newton is the real deal), and the later rounds in the draft, let alone free agency, will provide us with ample talent at other positions of need (talent that may ultimately outdo the Nicks, Von's and Marcel's of the draft), then why not just shoot for two first round picks next year (when Luck will be coming out, I might add)?

We really can live without a WR because of the young prospects that we already have, and PP does not want to return kicks, diminishing his value. Lastly, we still have hope that Pickles will prosper, and/or that the Double M will return to his pre-Tommy Jakeness, so there's the stop-gap at QB. Moreover, the season may be shortened anyway. Call the season a wash, err part of the rebuilding process, and look for a breakout season in 2012. Chances are that 2011 is not going to be so kind to us anyway because of the learning process between the coaches and players.

We need a first this year. So offering our first this year for team X's second this year and their first next year makes sense for the #1 overall pick? What if they pick 20 next year? Tell us how this would make sense. Nevermind, dont.