Report: Richardson “not sold” on Cam Newton, but will likely defer decision

[King Taharqa]

what's wrong with wanting luck, if he was considered to be one of the best QB prospects in the last decade,

The problem is he wasnt. ESPN talking heads said that, but what GM or NFL Exec said he is? This notion that Luck is above this "process" (pro day, combine, etc) is laughable. Luck is unproven and needs more time in college to showcase that he's ready for the next level. Thats why Ive always said it was wise of him to go back and attempt to dominate the college game the way Cam did this season.

then when he didn't enter the draft, decide to select another position? If someone doesn't believe any QB in this draft is worth the #1, it would be stupid to draft any QB at #1 so therefore it is the best decision to select another position.

What we believe and what we need are two different things. The people opposed to us taking a QB always fall back on weak FA strategies to get a QB that dont benefit our team in the long term. What posters on this board "want" is irrelevant. I see people saying that a lot here, "I want, I want, what I want", nobody cares. What we need is a QB, that has not changed irregardless of what Luck decided to do.

we can nab a first round QB next year.

And you know this how? How do you know our draft spot?

just like last year, if bradford had of decided not to be in the draft, would any other QB really have been worthy of the #1 overall?

It depends on the team with the #1 pick, if their need was QB and there was someone there they liked, chances are they would've took 1. I dont understand why this is so hard for some to grasp.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with being on board with luck as the #1 and then moving to another position since he's no longer available.

There isnt anything wrong with it, I would just say those folks want a Luck more than they want a QB. Luck will never be a Panther, the sooner some accept that, the sooner their life can go on.

your point of view of those of us who oppose cam is completely wrong.

I think many opposing Cam have weak backup plans on how to fix our QB situation. Maybe if they proposed more than "lets just hope for Luck again" or "lets sign a scrub to get people hyped about Panthers football" people would take them a lot more seriously.

[nagai]

GDI, every time a pro Newton thread shows up, someone rates it 5 stars. When a aniti-Cam thread shows up, it's rated 1 star. lol Biased much?

[Darth Urious]

LOL! you call that being on his train? you only said he was your favorite "at this point" then went on to talk about his negatives, his maturity and ability to lead, and even made fun of how he looks.

I wouldn't call that a ringing endorsement. Don't act like you were riding his jock back in December. At best, you were only fondling his sack.

Hey I was just giving evidence that I wasn't biased against him...

If anything I'm just biased against taking a QB at #1... but these Cam nut huggers don't see it as that and only see me against him, which I obviously am not...

At this point I actually hope we take Von Miller, Robert Quinn, or Tyron Smith just so I can see this place fuging EXPLODE!

lol

So much emotion directed towards one or two players is what you want to avoid in times like this... I learned the hard way with Peppers... hahahahaha

[rico6]

Did KT just own a thread?

[panthers55]

Anyone hear what the local beat writers are saying about the visit.? So far I have only heard from guys who don't really have that great of inside sources. if Gantt and Candler haven't heard about Richardson's reservations then do we really think these other guys know more??? Honestly given how little Richardson says to anyone in the media, for anyone to get wind of his feelings, it would have to be a planted story. We didn't even find out about what JR and Smitty talked about. How in the world would we find out what his feelings were about Newton?? He is beyond close mouthed to the press.

[mav1234]

I am not certain Gantt would say if he had heard about Richardon's reservations. Earlier he said

I can't speak to another man's sources. Lot of research goes into No. 1. RT @sdanner52 whats the deal with J.R. not being sold on newton?

Keep in mind, JR also went on TV and smushed Gantt publicly, so I'm not surprised if he isn't exactly super in the know when it comes to JR.

The thing I don't get here is why someone would make something like this up (not saying it's true, but...)

Why exactly is someone planting a story like this? To keep potential suitors from trading up with us so Cam would fall to them? That is possible, but they'd have to be damn well convinced we don't want him since one would hope Hurney wouldn't be fooled by another team's rumor that JR doesn't want Newton, lol.

The only thing I can think of is that if it's made up, it's because someone is *sure* that Newton isn't the "kind of kid" that JR would like so they're just madly speculating. But Freeman's report sounded like his source was saying something more than that.

[teeray]

Anyone hear what the local beat writers are saying about the visit.? So far I have only heard from guys who don't really have that great of inside sources. if Gantt and Candler haven't heard about Richardson's reservations then do we really think these other guys know more??? Honestly given how little Richardson says to anyone in the media, for anyone to get wind of his feelings, it would have to be a planted story. We didn't even find out about what JR and Smitty talked about. How in the world would we find out what his feelings were about Newton?? He is beyond close mouthed to the press.

No one has said boo. I have hit them up a couple times but they seem to not know anything at all. No news, no info, nada. Nothing but smartass replies.

[teeray]

What we also don't know is if Freeman got his info before or after Cam's interviews yesterday.

[jtnc]

I'm not even gonna say what I want to really say about JR, most of you are allover his 70 year old nuts.

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[panthers55]

I am not certain Gantt would say if he had heard about Richardon's reservations. Earlier he said Keep in mind, JR also went on TV and smushed Gantt publicly, so I'm not surprised if he isn't exactly super in the know when it comes to JR.

The thing I don't get here is why someone would make something like this up (not saying it's true, but...)

Why exactly is someone planting a story like this? To keep potential suitors from trading up with us so Cam would fall to them? That is possible, but they'd have to be damn well convinced we don't want him since one would hope Hurney wouldn't be fooled by another team's rumor that JR doesn't want Newton, lol.

The only thing I can think of is that if it's made up, it's because someone is *sure* that Newton isn't the "kind of kid" that JR would like so they're just madly speculating. But Freeman's report sounded like his source was saying something more than that.

If the Panthers want to make it known that they are leaning towards Newton but there still was some debate and possible room to take someone else, they would have to find a way to leave the door open but do it in a way that saves face in the event we don't get our price and pick Newton. Richardson would be a good way to do that.

On the other hand the speculation could be based on Richardson's reputation for staying away from guys with character issues. It may be true or it may be imagined. Either way it would be a good way to keep the reputation intact and account for why we would still pick him.

What I find hard to believe is that he would totally defer to his staff and not have the ultimate say in the pick. On the other hand I don't know if he has deferred with other picks such as Clausen for instance or how involved he actually gets in the decision process.

[mav1234]

What I find hard to believe is that he would totally defer to his staff and not have the ultimate say in the pick. On the other hand I don't know if he has deferred with other picks such as Clausen for instance or how involved he actually gets in the decision process.

Well, it's true Hurney is deceptive, but I don't know why he would lie when he's said he and Rivera have the ultimate say and that Richardson is deferring to the two of them. This came from either Panthers Pulse or the AM radio show the next day, can't recall which. Was from last week.

[panthers55]

Well, it's true Hurney is deceptive, but I don't know why he would lie when he's said he and Rivera have the ultimate say and that Richardson is deferring to the two of them. This came from either Panthers Pulse or the AM radio show the next day, can't recall which. Was from last week.

I expect Hurney does have ultimate say. But most employees would find it hard to go against their boss if they knew that the boss didn't agree with them. It surely puts more pressure on Hurney and Rivera to not screw up. But as you say if you know that Richardson doesn't like character issue guys and Hurney has saiid he and Rivera have the ultimate say based on published remarks, then you could easily make the conclusions that PFW did without talking to anyone.

Am I the only one who thinks that our local guys should have a better sense of this than national writers who rarely get it right?? I would thnk that the local guys would have sources they have cultivated for years.

[teeray]

I expect Hurney does have ultimate say. But most employees would find it hard to go against their boss if they knew that the boss didn't agree with them. It surely puts more pressure on Hurney and Rivera to not screw up. But as you say if you know that Richardson doesn't like character issue guys and Hurney has saiid he and Rivera have the ultimate say based on published remarks, then you could easily make the conclusions that PFW did without talking to anyone.

Am I the only one who thinks that our local guys should have a better sense of this than national writers who rarely get it right?? I would thnk that the local guys would have sources they have cultivated for years.

Local guys feel good about Cam and the Panthers. But they haven't heard anything or divulged anything since yesterday that is new.