PFW: Carolina seeks second-round pick By Nolan Nawrocki

[Mr. Scot]

It's all speculation... but Nawrocki's decision to pass on comments like he did about Cam's "fake smile", etc crossed the line IMO and I suspect he did it to drum up controversy/sell books.

I like Cam, but I acknowledge that there are allot of valid reasons to be concerned about how he projects to the NFL, I don't think a "fake smile" is among those reasons considering it's something we all do in certain situations when we're trying to impress someone.

He's reporting what people tell him. He got reports with negative words like 'fraud' and 'con artist' from three different sources. What would be the motivation for burying reports like that when you're supposed to be writing a scouting type profile?

"He's a nice kid so I don't want to hurt him"? Should he take that track with every kid he hears negative stuff about (which would be all of them) or only on certain guys?

[Mr. Scot]

Lost in the Cam debate, what was this guy saying about Dareus?

Quote:

"Of the three prospects, Dareus' lack of support structure makes him the riskiest selection"

Anyone have a clue what he is saying?

Yeah. I read his profile.

Dareus has had something of a turbulent upbringing, and some folks worry that in order to succeed on his own, he'll need a strong support structure in place to keep him disciplined and focused or he could go wild and bust.

Sadly, that's not an easy thing to create for a kid fresh out of college who just got a million dollar payday.

[teeray]

He's reporting what people tell him. He got reports with negative words like 'fraud' and 'con artist' from three different sources. What would be the motivation for burying reports like that when you're supposed to be writing a scouting type profile?

"He's a nice kid so I don't want to hurt him"? Should he take that track with every kid he hears negative stuff about (which would be all of them) or only on certain guys?

What about the two sources that didn't have a problem with him. Don't you think it would have been more responsible in that situation to bring up character issues without calling someone a fraud and a phoney.

And it was Narwocki's opinion. It was not quoted or cited. Thefefore it is attributed to the author. He just drew his opinion from what he was being told.

[Mr. Scot]

the 2nd quote could very well be accurate because it was allegedly from an inside source, the 1st one, well, really what would a rival executive know about Hurney's true intentions

He doesn't actually have to "know" anything. That's a problematic aspect of this story that people are missing.

Regardless of whether it's true or not, if teams actually believe that Hurney is bluffing (and obviously at least one team does) then it severely hurts our chances of trading down because they'll say "ahhhh, he won't take him".

Thus, if this belief is held by more than one team, or is spreading to other teams, it's bad for us.

[Mr. Scot]

What about the two sources that didn't have a problem with him. Don't you think it would have been more responsible in that situation to bring up character issues without calling someone a fraud and a phoney.

And it was Narwocki's opinion. It was not quoted or cited. Thefefore it is attributed to the author. He just drew his opinion from what he was being told.

The whole profile - both positive and negative - is written from research.

People act like there was nothing positive written at all and the few sentences everyone keeps arguing about constitute the entire profile.

[teeray]

The whole profile - both positive and negative - is written from research.

People act like there was nothing positive written at all and the few sentences everyone keeps arguing about constitute the entire profile.

I think you are missing the point. You are as blind a Narwocki Nut Hugger as anyone is a Cam Nuthugger. :)

The problem isn't that there were negatives included about his character. That is fine. But essentially calling someone a liar and a phoney with absolutely no evidence to back it up except 3/5 guys told me so. It is over the top. I could talk to 3 people on this board that might not have nice things to say about you but seeing that I don't really know you do you think that would be fair for me to tell the world you are not a good guy? For me to say you are a fake?

Get off his boner for two seconds and realize that it was poor journalism even if he turns out to be correct. A lot of people have agreed with me both in the draft community and the media since this came out, so I don't think I am being too unfair.

[CatMan72]

He's reporting what people tell him. He got reports with negative words like 'fraud' and 'con artist' from three different sources. What would be the motivation for burying reports like that when you're supposed to be writing a scouting type profile?

"He's a nice kid so I don't want to hurt him"? Should he take that track with every kid he hears negative stuff about (which would be all of them) or only on certain guys?

I understand he's allegedly reporting only what people told him, but at the end of the day he edits those comments into a scouting report and since Cam is the biggest star of this draft class he knows he will sell many more books and get many more site hits by highlighting controversial stuff about Cam.

Remember, Nawrocki's #1 priority is to sell books/get site hits... he's not purely providing a scouting service.

[Peppers90 NC]

Remember, Nawrocki's #1 priority is to sell books/get site hits... he's not purely providing a scouting service.

True, but he loses credibility by publishing mis-information. Basically, he believes best thing that could help the Panthers is trading down, getting that extra pick. Now, if we can just find that sucker!!!

[Mr. Scot]

I understand he's allegedly reporting only what people told him, but at the end of the day he edits those comments into a scouting report and since Cam is the biggest star of this draft class he knows he will sell many more books and get many more site hits by highlighting controversial stuff about Cam.

Remember, Nawrocki's #1 priority is to sell books/get site hits... he's not purely providing a scouting service.

Actually, Zierlein's profile of him dismissed that idea, but go beyond that and look at it logically.

- A draft preview is sold to very much a niche market. Media types, draftniks and football fanatics are gonna buy it, and that's about it.

- Do you seriously think anyone believes you could get people who wouldn't already be inclined to buy this anyway to do so by posting something inflammatory? People are gonna buy a whole book just to read one preview? Come on :nonod:

- And let's say you did believe that. Then what was the point of publishing the full profile online? If this was written to sell books, why put it out there for free? PFW's website has subscriber content too, but this was just placed out there as part of the regular draft coverage. They didn't hype it at all.

- Throw in that I actually have my copy of this year's preview now (I'm a PFW subscriber) and I can tell you that not only is Newton's picture not on the cover, his name isn't even listed. Aeven other names and three pictures (Green, Miller and Peterson) are, but Newton's nowhere to be found. Don't you think if you were using a particular prospect to sell books, you might want to put him on the cover somewhere?

The argument that "this was just to sell books" has no legs at all, but I'm sure people will continue to believe that regardless of the fact that the facts don't actually support it.

And for the record, this is nothing new. Prospects get negative reviews like this every year and no one bats an eyelash, except now OMG HE SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT CAM HE'S SUCH A MEANIE :rolleyes:

[teeray]

Scot..... are you dating Nolan Narwocki? Or do you feel like the criticism of him is over the top and not warranted??

If it is the first thing I hope you guys are truly happy. If it is the second thing then now you know how some of Cam's supporters feel.

:D

[Bj-Monster23]

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I guess they want to continue the Carolina ways of not having a Quarterback. At some point we are going to have to take a chance on a quarterback. We have the number 1 pick this year if they do there homework like they suppose to and find out witch Quarterback will be best and fits our team we should be good. Its not often you get the number 1 pick its best to use it on a team need that we always needed. Matt Moore cant get it done Jimmy clausen cant get it done. Its time for Carolina to draft there Own good QB.

[Lout]

Hurney called Nawrocki out in the media... Hurney said, "He says he’s talking to decision makers. We have the No. 1 pick. He hasn’t talked to me.”

Nawrocki got pissed off and is now taking it upon himself to ruin our amazing smokescreen that we set up. No one will trade up with us because everyone will call out bluff of wanting Cam newton. It all makes sense now.

[Mr. Scot]

Scot..... are you dating Nolan Narwocki? Or do you feel like the criticism of him is over the top and not warranted??

If it is the first thing I hope you guys are truly happy. If it is the second thing then now you know how some of Cam's supporters feel.

:D

I read, and like, the annual Pro Football Weekly draft previews. There's very good information and nine times out of ten, they're dead on target.

When I saw the criticism of Newton, I didn't bat an eye because that's the kind of thing I'm used to seeing from years of reading back even before Nawrocki wrote them.

That's one of many reasons why I think it's stupid that people are acting all butthurt and childish over it. Especially given that a lot of those folks will turn on Newton in a heartbeat if he's drafted by someone other than the Panthers.

The way people are screaming you'd think he kicked somebody's dog.

[teeray]

I thought the Cam stuff truly was a little over the top, but I don't have a problem with Narwocki. He just has a fun name and it gives me someone to make fun of and gets you worked up which is fun for me. :lol:

Most of it is just good natured ribbing at your expense.