PFW: Carolina seeks second-round pick By Nolan Nawrocki

[Mr. Scot]

I thought the Cam stuff truly was a little over the top, but I don't have a problem with Narwocki. He just has a fun name and it gives me someone to make fun of and gets you worked up which is fun for me. :lol:

Most of it is just good natured ribbing at your expense.

It's like Zierlein said. That's the kind of report scouts give to teams.

People forget this is a business. If some scout held something back because he felt it was 'over the top' or he didn't want to say something mean about a kid, and then it turned out to be true after his employer blew a high draft pick on the kid, it'd be his ass. They can't afford to be "nice guys".

And to be clear, this is not something I'm "worked up' over (I've explained that already). "Worked up" is a way more accurate description of some of the negative reaction people are having to this stuff. Which again makes me laugh because if we don't take Newton, those same folks will turn on him in a heartbeat.

[teeray]

You get worked up a little. I'm sure you don't care bc you have bigger things going on. When I was in college my grandfather died right before my bball game. There were much bigger things going on in the larger scheme of life but I still had a great deal of passion for that game which was insignificant in the larger picture.

You can have passion and spread it around. If you didn't care you wouldn't say anything. Some people when they have stressful situations will putt even more passion into other things as a form of distraction.

I know you have bigger fish to fry, but you are having some fun on here or you wouldnt be doing it.

[Mr. Scot]

You get worked up a little. I'm sure you don't care bc you have bigger things going on. When I was in college my grandfather died right before my bball game. There were much bigger things going on in the larger scheme of life but I still had a great deal of passion for that game which was insignificant in the larger picture.

You can have passion and spread it around. If you didn't care you wouldn't say anything. Some people when they have stressful situations will putt even more passion into other things as a form of distraction.

I know you have bigger fish to fry, but you are having some fun on here or you wouldnt be doing it.

I can assure you, I don't, and the people who actually know me in real life would laugh at the idea.

There are things I do get worked up over, and not just my own health issues. I get worked up over real world injustice and tragedy, especially bad stuff that happens to children. I get worked up when someone treats a person that I care about badly, honestly less so than if I'm the target.

Football though? :nonod:

I love it and love talking about it, but it's still just a game.

I don't honestly think anyone should get worked up over football, but that's just me. Loads of people do.

[CatMan72]

Actually, Zierlein's profile of him dismissed that idea, but go beyond that and look at it logically.

- A draft preview is sold to very much a niche market. Media types, draftniks and football fanatics are gonna buy it, and that's about it.

- Do you seriously think anyone believes you could get people who wouldn't already be inclined to buy this anyway to do so by posting something inflammatory? People are gonna buy a whole book just to read one preview? Come on :nonod:

- And let's say you did believe that. Then what was the point of publishing the full profile online? If this was written to sell books, why put it out there for free? PFW's website has subscriber content too, but this was just placed out there as part of the regular draft coverage. They didn't hype it at all.

- Throw in that I actually have my copy of this year's preview now (I'm a PFW subscriber) and I can tell you that not only is Newton's picture not on the cover, his name isn't even listed. Aeven other names and three pictures (Green, Miller and Peterson) are, but Newton's nowhere to be found. Don't you think if you were using a particular prospect to sell books, you might want to put him on the cover somewhere?

The argument that "this was just to sell books" has no legs at all, but I'm sure people will continue to believe that regardless of the fact that the facts don't actually support it.

And for the record, this is nothing new. Prospects get negative reviews like this every year and no one bats an eyelash, except now OMG HE SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT CAM HE'S SUCH A MEANIE :rolleyes:

Nawrocki's scouting report of Cam has given him and PFW more mainstream press and attention then they've had in a long time = mission accomplished.

I do think people like me who don't ordinarily buy PFW books might become interested in buying one to see what else Nawrocki has to say based on his comments about Cam.

The point of publishing this online was to get site hits which are used to sell advertising on the site, etc... I visited the site and there are several ads. It also serves as a teaser to buy the magazines.

Not sure there's any reason to put Cam on the cover, it's not a publication most people would walk by and pick up anyways. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with PFW wanting to sell books, that's what pays the bills for them so that is (or should be) their primary motivation along with getting site hits. If they're not in business to make money then I don't know why they're in business at all? The argument has legs, you may not think so - but it does. It has legs with Hurney, is he off base about that as well?

I've read allot of negative scouting reports about prospects but rarely are they this subjective... intangibles are always part of the discussion, but I'm still wondering how to determine that someone has a "fake smile" or how many "fake smiles" are too many "fake smiles" since it's something we all do when we're trying to impress someone? Again, I realize that Nawrocki says he's just passing this information on, but the fact remains that he chose to pass it on about Cam and I suspect part of his motivation to do so was fueled by $$... to think otherwise is naive.

[CatMan72]

True, but he loses credibility by publishing mis-information. Basically, he believes best thing that could help the Panthers is trading down, getting that extra pick. Now, if we can just find that sucker!!!

How will anybody ever prove it was mis-information? That's the beauty of the line of work Nawrocki is in... no consequences for making stuff up because he can't reveal his "sources".

[Mr. Scot]

Nawrocki's scouting report of Cam has given him and PFW more mainstream press and attention then they've had in a long time = mission accomplished.

I do think people like me who don't ordinarily buy PFW books might become interested in buying one to see what else Nawrocki has to say based on his comments about Cam.

The point of publishing this online was to get site hits which are used to sell advertising on the site, etc... I visited the site and there are several ads.

Not sure there's any reason to put Cam on the cover, it's not a publication most people would walk by and pick up anyways. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with PFW wanting to sell books, that's what pays the bills for them so that is (or should be) their primary motivation along with getting site hits. If they're not in business to make money they I don't know why they are in business at all? The argument has legs, you may not think so - but it does. It has legs with Hurney, is he off base about that as well?

I've read allot of negative scouting reports about prospects but rarely are they this subjective... intangibles are always part of the discussion, but I'm still wondering how to determine that someone has a "fake smile" or how many "fake smiles" are too many "fake smiles" since it's something we all do when we're trying to impress someone? Again, I realize that Nawrocki says he's just passing this information on, but the fact remains that he chose to pass it on about Cam and I suspect part of his motivation to do so was fueled by $$... to think otherwise is naive.

Did PFW actually hype this themselves or did some media guy grab it and run with it?

Newton not only isn't on the cover. He's not on the inside cover or anywhere prominently featured other than in his profile. If you're using a guy to sell magazines, you don't hide him.

And like I said, I've been reading these profiles for years and didn't bat an eyelash when I read Newton's because it's no different than what I've heard from loads of prospects before. That includes Clausen just last year, when the words "disingenuous", "staged" and "scripted" were applied.

Guys have been getting these kinds of writeups for years and no one made a big deal out of it. But now OMG HE WAS MEAN TO CAM HE CAN'T DO THAT WHAT A BIG MEANIE WE HAVE TO STOP HIM!! :frown2:

[Mr. Scot]

How will anybody ever prove it was mis-information? That's the beauty of the line of work Nawrocki is in... no consequences for making stuff up because he can't reveal his "sources".

Again, this is a niche market. The people who buy this preview do so based on accuracy of information, not controversy.

You don't sell previews to this market by being controversial. You sell them by being right.

[teeray]

So if he is wrong about Newton will you cancel your subscription???

[CatMan72]

Did PFW actually hype this themselves or did some media guy grab it and run with it?

Newton not only isn't on the cover. He's not on the inside cover or anywhere prominently featured other than in his profile. If you're using a guy to sell magazines, you don't hide him.

And like I said, I've been reading these profiles for years and didn't bat an eyelash when I read Newton's because it's no different than what I've heard from loads of prospects before. That includes Clausen just last year, when the words "disingenuous", "staged" and "scripted" were applied.

Guys have been getting these kinds of writeups for years and no one made a big deal out of it. But now OMG HE WAS MEAN TO CAM HE CAN'T DO THAT WHAT A BIG MEANIE WE HAVE TO STOP HIM!! :FROWN2:

PFW didn't have to hype the story themselves, they knew it would grow legs on it's own considering Cam is by far the biggest celebrity in this draft class. Now that the word is out about these negative comments, they don't need to have him on the cover... folks will go out and buy the magazine to find out what else they had to say about Cam and other prospects. They may have chosen not to put Cam on the cover to make the magazine stand out from all the other magazines which probably do have Cam on the cover.

I've ready plenty of negative scouting reports including the scouting reports about Clausen, but Nawrocki's report about Cam seemed especially pointed. The positive remarks about Cam seemed to be included only to offset the overwhelming negativity.

[CatMan72]

Again, this is a niche market. The people who buy this preview do so based on accuracy of information, not controversy.

You don't sell previews to this market by being controversial. You sell them by being right.

True, but how badly will you ding PFW if they turn out to be completely wrong about Cam?

In their eyes, I'm sure the benefits of highlighting controversial remarks about Cam far outweigh the risk of being wrong... they can just point out that measuring intangibles is always an in-exacting process and after all they're just passing on what scouts told them. If you read the scouting report as a whole, they hedge their bet on Cam pretty well.

[Mr. Scot]

PFW didn't have to hype the story themselves, they knew it would grow legs on it's own considering Cam is by far the biggest celebrity in this draft class. Now that the word is out about these negative comments, they don't need to have him on the cover... folks will go out and buy the magazine to find out what else they had to say about Cam and other prospects. They may have chosen not to put Cam on the cover to make the magazine stand out from all the other magazines which probably do have Cam on the cover.

I've ready plenty of negative scouting reports including the scouting reports about Clausen, but Nawrocki's report about Cam seemed especially pointed. The positive remarks about Cam seemed to be included only to offset the overwhelming negativity.

How exactly would they have known that? Did their negative review of JaMarcus Russell hit the media like this? Or the one of Jimmy Clausen?

And like I said, if this seems out of the ordinary, I can tell you that the scouting reports you've been reading haven't been the PFW versions. They've been writing this same kind of report for over a decade. Newton's is nothing special.

[CatMan72]

Gantt's 2 cents (from twitter):

daringantt

Nawrocki's work is thorough and detailed and good. Personally, I think the Newton report was excessive, but reasonable minds can disagree.

This sums up how I felt, the emphasis on the negative points seemed excessive... I think that's why many folks like myself walked away wondering if Nawrocki had an agenda.

Gantt also re-tweeted the following:

daringantt

RT @RDustinLong So Nawrocki hears FO types don't like Cam, then lists him a 1A based on what he hears from FO types about Cam? Confused.

...which was in reference to:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/04/06/pfws-exclusive-draft-value-chart-4

[teeray]

Did PFW actually hype this themselves or did some media guy grab it and run with it?

Newton not only isn't on the cover. He's not on the inside cover or anywhere prominently featured other than in his profile. If you're using a guy to sell magazines, you don't hide him.

And like I said, I've been reading these profiles for years and didn't bat an eyelash when I read Newton's because it's no different than what I've heard from loads of prospects before. That includes Clausen just last year, when the words "disingenuous", "staged" and "scripted" were applied.

Guys have been getting these kinds of writeups for years and no one made a big deal out of it. But now OMG HE WAS MEAN TO CAM HE CAN'T DO THAT WHAT A BIG MEANIE WE HAVE TO STOP HIM!! :frown2:

Stop yellin. :) actually yeah. They pimped the fug out of it. As a matter of fact I got three tweets and an email about it with ordering info. It said to read the whle cam newton evaluation order your book today.

ALL within a matter of hours of this hitting the fan.

Now to give them the benefit of the doubt it may have blown up the same day it was released but it was def pimped.

[Mr. Scot]

Gantt's 2 cents (from twitter):

This sums up how I felt, the emphasis on the negative points seemed excessive... I think that's why many folks like myself walked away wondering if Nawrocki had an agenda.

Gantt also re-tweeted the following:

...which was in reference to:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/04/06/pfws-exclusive-draft-value-chart-4

He writes the negative stuff that he hears on every single draft prospect in the book, including personal stuff.

Why exactly would it require an agenda to do the same thing with Newton that he's done with pretty much every prospect he's profiled?

Was it an agenda with Jimmy Clausen and Rhett Bomar, or is Cam the only guy that's above such criticism?