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Now that it's almost certain Cam will be the pick, what are your thoughts?


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I feel the same way after this past season that I felt after the 1-15 season and it's that if we've endured this embarrassment, we had damn well get a PLAYER with the draft pick that we pick up in order to turn this whole thing around. We did that time when we picked up Julius Peppers and we had a rapid climb to relevancy after that. My fear is that taking a QB at the top of THIS draft is an absolute reach no matter how its done and who is taken.

I think that other players than Gabbert and Newton have something to offer us next year and are available. I think we turn around quicker by picking up a veteran QB and going BPA at draft time.

I know this was kind of an indirect way of asking me if I would rather see us lose another 2-14 season or win with Cam, but if winning with Cam was a certainty then how could anybody say no? The idea of drafting a QB based on the false assumption that, "why not? things couldn't possibly get worse", is not true to me. Things can get a WHOLE lot worse if we waste a 1st overall on a guy that seems to care more about his image than his future team and a fraudulent combine hero like Gabbert.

That same 1-15 team u talk about didnt become a superbowl caliber team until we got a quarterback. Keyword: Quarterback

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I feel the same way after this past season that I felt after the 1-15 season and it's that if we've endured this embarrassment, we had damn well get a PLAYER with the draft pick that we pick up in order to turn this whole thing around. We did that time when we picked up Julius Peppers and we had a rapid climb to relevancy after that. My fear is that taking a QB at the top of THIS draft is an absolute reach no matter how its done and who is taken.

I think that other players than Gabbert and Newton have something to offer us next year and are available. I think we turn around quicker by picking up a veteran QB and going BPA at draft time.

I know this was kind of an indirect way of asking me if I would rather see us lose another 2-14 season or win with Cam, but if winning with Cam was a certainty then how could anybody say no? The idea of drafting a QB based on the false assumption that, "why not? things couldn't possibly get worse", is not true to me. Things can get a WHOLE lot worse if we waste a 1st overall on a guy that seems to care more about his image than his future team and a fraudulent combine hero like Gabbert.

Well say we pass on those guys, how do we address the QB spot because it still needs to be addressed? What is your answer there? We have the league's worst offense, if we take PP #1 overall and commit #1 overall money to him (with Gamble already signed thru 2014 with a 40 mill deal) how does that help us score points? The league's highest paid defensive backfield helps us win games how? In your post you state you would like someone who brings something to offer next year, does that mean someone who produces but doesn't directly impact winning, or someone who directly leads to wins? Im just curious how a defensive positional player will have a bigger impact on us winning than a QB will.

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I brought up race because it's necessary at this point to attempt to justify your opinion of Cam Newton while rebuking the idea of race being a factor, sadly enough, or else that is the first place people that discredit your opinion will attack you from. If anything, I think that race is one of the biggest positives that Cam Newton has going for him right now because it has made him virtually untouchable in the criticism department in the last few weeks. It got pretty wild prior to that, as it should have considering his behavior, but at THIS point in time? Nobody is saying anything about Cam Newton and extensive character issues because they've just seen a fellow journalist burned in effigy for expressing his opinions about it. Nobody wants to fall on that sword.

While it is easy to see you have some valid reasons for not liking Cam, calling him a "thug" is not going to convince anyone that you are in any way open-minded about this.

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Well say we pass on those guys, how do we address the QB spot because it still needs to be addressed? What is your answer there? We have the league's worst offense, if we take PP #1 overall and commit #1 overall money to him (with Gamble already signed thru 2014 with a 40 mill deal) how does that help us score points? The league's highest paid defensive backfield helps us win games how? In your post you state you would like someone who brings something to offer next year, does that mean someone who produces but doesn't directly impact winning, or someone who directly leads to wins? Im just curious how a defensive positional player will have a bigger impact on us winning than a QB will.

Didn't you know?? We will sign Marc Bulger and go to the Super Bowl :party:

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Cam is a thug right?? Peterson scored a 9 on his wonderlic, has been accused of a pay for play, scheme himself, part of his denial has already been proven to be a lie, and he was such a head case in high school that Urban Meyer refused to offer him a scholarship. Urban Meyer. Who had something like 20% of his players with criminal records thought that PP was to immature to be offered a scholarship!!!

Come on buddy. If you are going to ride a high horse and serve out judgments just do it evenly.

I love PP also and he is second on my want list so I don't have an axe to grind with the guy.

As far as the Wonderlic goes, I think it's somewhat overrated for positions other than what they call the "skill positions". I think PP knows the language of football and that transcends any tangible they test for with the Wonderlic.

I agree the pay for play thing is troublesome, but we're only condemning the players that got caught. I think that issue with Cam was a sin of his father more than anything and to me it's more troubling to think that his father, his direct lineage, was in charge of that whole thing than it was for PP who had a family friend working on his behalf. It just seems worse that a father was promising out his own son, all the money and stuff like that aside. But again, I would wager that 15 of the Top 30 draft picks were paid to play. I think it's MUCH more rampant than anybody would have us believe. Especially kids that come from poor families that get victimized by these informal "associates". Again, what made Newton's case particularly troubling to me was the fact that his father orchestrated it. Those are not strong values to instill into your son.

I have looked but can't find anything on Meyer and Peterson. I do recall that Peterson turned over his commitment to Miami at one point and decided on LSU, but guys do that a lot. Can you link me to something about that if you could?

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Interestingly enough, there is debate over the Peterson/Meyer thing.

Meyer says he didn't recruit him... but when Peterson signed with LSU, Meyer raised a red flag about his ACTs. Peterson had to retake the ACTs, which delayed his entrance into LSU(he passed them a second time).

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As far as the Wonderlic goes, I think it's somewhat overrated for positions other than what they call the "skill positions". I think PP knows the language of football and that transcends any tangible they test for with the Wonderlic.

I agree the pay for play thing is troublesome, but we're only condemning the players that got caught. I think that issue with Cam was a sin of his father more than anything and to me it's more troubling to think that his father, his direct lineage, was in charge of that whole thing than it was for PP who had a family friend working on his behalf. It just seems worse that a father was promising out his own son, all the money and stuff like that aside. But again, I would wager that 15 of the Top 30 draft picks were paid to play. I think it's MUCH more rampant than anybody would have us believe. Especially kids that come from poor families that get victimized by these informal "associates". Again, what made Newton's case particularly troubling to me was the fact that his father orchestrated it. Those are not strong values to instill into your son.

I have looked but can't find anything on Meyer and Peterson. I do recall that Peterson turned over his commitment to Miami at one point and decided on LSU, but guys do that a lot. Can you link me to something about that if you could?

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/Latest-Buzz/louisiana-sports-super-bowl-cam-newton-patrick-peterson-zach-mettenberger.html

Second paragraph. I am having to do all this from my phone so this is a pain.

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http://www.bayoubuzz.com/Latest-Buzz/louisiana-sports-super-bowl-cam-newton-patrick-peterson-zach-mettenberger.html

Second paragraph. I am having to do all this from my phone so this is a pain.

That almost seems to come from this article:

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/02/patrick-peterson-and-carolina-panthers-a-perfect-match/

Which also says this:

There were a lot of questions. We made snap judgments, of course, and wondered about Peterson's makeup.

There was more to Peterson, it turns out and his makeup is just fine

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