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If Peppers gets franchised....

Matt Foley

By Matt Foley,
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doubletrouble3428 Newbie

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Peppers has about as much leverage as we do in this situation. All we have to do is make sure we get Gross signed and then we call the shots with Pep. Pep has made it known that Carolina is the last place he wants to be. IMO he will go anywhere other than Detroit and KC. He has no more leverage than we do and this is why:

#1 - Hurney is going to structure Gross' deal such that we have enough room under the cap to tag and keep Peppers if it came to that. If that happens then Pep has 2 choices...Take the trade we offer him or play for a team that he wants no part of and has lobbied to get away from.

#2 - We can tag Peppers as many times as we want. He is the only player on our team right now that wants out so we can get deals worked out with everyone else that we need to. If we had to tag Pep next year then guess what we do it again. He will break before we will.

#3 - He's not gonna sit out. The guy is 29 years old and is in his prime. He is the best defender in the league and he knows it and he wants to capitalize on that by building a legacy for himself. Wasting a year by sitting out and getting nothing (if he sits the whole year) is not something that he is going to do.

For those 3 reasons we have more leverage than Peppers. The only thing that would keep any of those scenarios from happening is if we didn't have enough cap room and IMO with restructuring deals, the annual increase in the cap paired with his value...we will find a way to get what we want out of Julius Peppers. The teams that can't afford to do this are teams with ZERO disposable income like the Steelers...

IMO teams like Cle, Den, GB, Jac, SF, and Cincy are all possible trades IMO. This draft is not particularly strong and honestly if you are the Pack who would you rather have...Everrette Brown (completely unproven) or Julius Peppers (maybe the best athlete to ever play the game). Its a no brainer to me.

ur gettin my hopes...im praying ur right

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mountainpantherfan Newbie

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Peppers has about as much leverage as we do in this situation. All we have to do is make sure we get Gross signed and then we call the shots with Pep. Pep has made it known that Carolina is the last place he wants to be. IMO he will go anywhere other than Detroit and KC. He has no more leverage than we do and this is why:

#1 - Hurney is going to structure Gross' deal such that we have enough room under the cap to tag and keep Peppers if it came to that. If that happens then Pep has 2 choices...Take the trade we offer him or play for a team that he wants no part of and has lobbied to get away from.

#2 - We can tag Peppers as many times as we want. He is the only player on our team right now that wants out so we can get deals worked out with everyone else that we need to. If we had to tag Pep next year then guess what we do it again. He will break before we will.

#3 - He's not gonna sit out. The guy is 29 years old and is in his prime. He is the best defender in the league and he knows it and he wants to capitalize on that by building a legacy for himself. Wasting a year by sitting out and getting nothing (if he sits the whole year) is not something that he is going to do.

For those 3 reasons we have more leverage than Peppers. The only thing that would keep any of those scenarios from happening is if we didn't have enough cap room and IMO with restructuring deals, the annual increase in the cap paired with his value...we will find a way to get what we want out of Julius Peppers. The teams that can't afford to do this are teams with ZERO disposable income like the Steelers...

IMO teams like Cle, Den, GB, Jac, SF, and Cincy are all possible trades IMO. This draft is not particularly strong and honestly if you are the Pack who would you rather have...Everrette Brown (completely unproven) or Julius Peppers (maybe the best athlete to ever play the game). Its a no brainer to me.

I would also add that the Panthers also do not have to seek a trade for the team to aquire compensation for Peppers if they choose to desinate Peppers as a non-exclusive franchise player.

IMO over the past week Peppers has pushed this issue to far and now has given the leverage back to the team. Lets say the Panthers tag Peppers and then Detriot makes Peppers a long term offer by using their 2 1st round draft picks as compensation. (No trading involved here) By rule the Panthers would then have seven days to match the offer or recieve the draft picks. Likewise if Peppers opts to not want to accept the Lions offer he would then have to sign the offer the Panthers originally offered him in the form of the franchise tag.

He knows this and so does his agent and that is why they don't want the Panthers to use the tag. Peppers can refuse a trade with no consequences but if he refuses a tendered offer then that would force him to stay in Carolina for another season.

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...how realistic would it be to challenge the NFL in court on this? I mean seriously, he played out his current contract. The NFL is saying he is owned, for all intents and purposes, by one team and one city.

The NFL has great lawyers, but no one ever thought about challenging MLB on free agency until Curt Flood did it, and won, in the early 70s.

the franchise tag was something agreed upon in the last collective bargaining agreement by a democratically elected board of people representing the players themselves. if peppers were to challenge this, he'd be challenging the entire players union. he'd have no support and absolutely no legal ground to stand on. your post demonstrates complete ignorance of how the franchise tag works. the city doesn't own him, and if it's non-exclusive then all they're saying is that he's worth at least 2 first rounders to the team. in a league where the players have almost all the power to move (salary cap, free agency, hold outs, media in their interest, etc) this is a relatively small thing, especially since they end up getting paid for one year what they would have anyway.

im talking down to you not because im 6 feet tall, but because you consistently astound me with how fuging stupid you can be. you're not a fan of the panthers so stop posting here. no one will miss you.

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