NFL Exec.: Cam Would Be Clear-Cut #1, If He Were White (And Other Valuable Nuggets)

[Swarly]

yes there is bias against black quarterbacks. I won't deny that.

does it mention the bias against white receivers? you know, how every single one is magically a clone of Wes Welker

or what about white running backs? they must not exist because every successful white running back is immediately regarded as "oh he'd make a great fullback!"

or what about white basketball players? "oh jimmer fredette is gonna be just like JJ Reddik!!!!!!"

it sucks but that's simply the way it is. do I agree with it? absolutely not. it's the "easy way out" to not actually do research on a player.

there are legitimate concerns about drafting Newton #1, but race is not one of them.

[C47]

I once saw Cam Newton eating a crayon in the third grade. What a bastard, that was school property.

Brush it off all you want but the kid has had more then a shaky past. I don't need a choir boy but I would much rather have someone I'm not worried about waking up and reading they were arrested, especially a guy who's the face of your franchise....

[Millions]

Hmm where to begin maybe it's the fact that academic cheating' date=' knowingly purchasing a stolen laptop and then chucking it out the window when the police come to question you not to mention letting your dad pimp you to the highest bidder (don't even try to bring up the NCAA's ruling about Cam not knowing) are HUGE character concerns. Maybe that's why people feel guys like Gabbert, Locker, Kaepernick and to some even Tyrod Taylor are better guys for the long term success of this team. No that couldn't be it....we're all just racist fugs....[/quote']

:beatdeadhorse5: We have all been back and forth on this so I will say this and leave it at that. 3 f'n years ago who's to say he hasn't matured from the mistakes he made before? Yeah Lets pass on talent at the QB position because he is not perfect/without mistakes in his past smh. No one proved Cam Newton guilty of anything in the pay for play stuff which is overblown regardless imo it happens so much.

[paulSM]

Falling into a trap of racial bias can happen to anyone that is any color. This has been a sticking point for a lot of people. RACIAL BIAS ISN'T ABOUT RACISM. People who fall into the trap aren't necessatily racists.

It is about having certain stereotypes that force players of a certain color to have to DO MORE than other players to dispel certain criticisms or critiques that are unjustified just because of the color of their skin and not their actual body of work or any other evidence.

And yes it does happen across different races. That doesn't disprove my point it only strengthens it.

In basketball it happens a lot. White guys always have scoutong reports like "high basketball IQ" and "hustles on every play" but they also almost always have "lacks athleticism".

I am a UNC fan and that is to a tee what people said about Hansbrough coming out for the NBA. It was also bullpoo. This was a guy that was 6'9 ran like a deer and could jump high enough to dunk with two hands over a 7'6 guy (the dude from UNC-A that had his foot amputated). Did he work hard? Heck yeah but he was a damn good athlete as well.

Some have pointed out that white receivers are a group that faces racial bias.

It isn't that ONLY a QB that is black faces certain criticisms and white QBs are immune to them. But often time black QBs have to disprove certain things even if they aren't warranted criticisms. Black QBs have to do MORE to prove they are intelligent, that they have good work ethic, and that they can be leaders than a white QB does. Again that doesn't mean that white QBs are immune from having their intelligence, leadership, or work ethic criticized. But most white QBs usually have to prove in some way that they ARE DEFICIENT in these skills whereas most black QBs have to PROVE THEY ARE EFFECIENT at these area even if there is no proof that they shouldn't be. Often times they are fighting these negatives before there is any proof they even exist.

Now regarding Cam I am not so sure he has been victim of a lot of racial bias. Most of the character questions are from things he brought upon himself and he can't blame anyone but himself.

Some of the football criticism MIGHT have a little bit of bias (like questioning of his intelligence for example). But the bottom line is right now he is the front runner to be the #1 overall pick so some GMs seem to be okay with his skills so it didn't hurt him too much.

But the bottom line is that racial bias can also come from someone who is black who is critiquing a black QB. It is about how black players who play the QB position are viewed not about the people analyzing them and their views on race as a whole. Because RACIAL BIAS and RACISM are not the same thing.

I liked this post so much that I went back and deleted my own and posted this again istead. Well done.

[C47]

:beatdeadhorse5: We have all been back and forth on this so I will say this and leave it at that. 3 f'n years ago who's to say he hasn't matured from the mistakes he made before? Yeah Lets pass on talent at the QB position because he is not perfect/without mistakes in his past smh. No one proved Cam Newton guilty of anything in the pay for play stuff which is overblown regardless imo it happens so much.

No one proved Reggie Bush guilty either but I'll be damned if people didn't act like he was the spawn of Satan for awhile. You say what you want about it being overblown but a guy who doesn't care enough to play by the books so his school stays out of trouble isn't a guy I trust to play by the books when he's given anywhere from 20 to 60 million guaranteed. Call it what you want but everyone screaming racism is fooling themselves here....

[Millions]

No one proved Reggie Bush guilty either but I'll be damned if people didn't act like he was the spawn of Satan for awhile. You say what you want about it being overblown but a guy who doesn't care enough to play by the books so his school stays out of trouble isn't a guy I trust to play by the books when he's given anywhere from 20 to 60 million guaranteed. Call it what you want but everyone screaming racism is fooling themselves here....

I call it like I see it you just said "I don't need a choir boy but I would much rather have someone I'm not worried about waking up and reading they were arrested" yet I assume you wouldn't mind Gabbert right? it was reported he got into a fight/underage drinking. No matter why or how it started would you share the same concerns about him?

And I am also curious to those that throw up "Cam bought a stolen laptop" have you guys ever purchased a burned CD from a friend before instead of purchasing the retail album...

[Cavscout]

Are blacks as racially biased against picking Blaine as some whites are against picking Cameron?

Personally I think both will be out of the league in 3 years.

[C47]

I call it like I see it you just said "I don't need a choir boy but I would much rather have someone I'm not worried about waking up and reading they were arrested" yet I assume you wouldn't mind Gabbert right? it was reported he got into a fight/underage drinking. No matter why or how it started would you share the same concerns about him?

And I am also curious to those that throw up "Cam bought a stolen laptop" have you guys ever purchased a burned CD from a friend before instead of purchasing the retail album...

Underage drinking and or fighting =/= putting your team at risk for an early paycheck, not even close....nice try though. As for the stolen laptop, it's not that he purchased the laptop it's that when he knew he was caught instead of fessing up and taking responsibility he tossed it out the window and denied it further compounding the problem. As for Gabbert, I personally don't think any of the QB prospects in this class are going to become elite players so I wouldn't draft any of them either way....

[panthers55]

Brush it off all you want but the kid has had more then a shaky past. I don't need a choir boy but I would much rather have someone I'm not worried about waking up and reading they were arrested' date=' especially a guy who's the face of your franchise....[/quote']

So did Vick have character concerns before the NFl? How about Ray Lewis or Roethlisburger? What about Rae Carruth?? There is not a great correlation between something that happens in college versus whether it will happen when they are an adult. Some people learn from their mistakes, some don't. Some guys as they get older get better, some worse.

[mr beauxjangles]

if we draft cam newton, this is what the huddle is going to be like every single day.

[panthers55]

Underage drinking and or fighting =/= putting your team at risk for an early paycheck' date=' not even close....nice try though.[b'] As for the stolen laptop, it's not that he purchased the laptop it's that when he knew he was caught instead of fessing up and taking responsibility he tossed it out the window and denied it further compounding the problem. As for Gabbert, I personally don't think any of the QB prospects in this class are going to become elite players so I wouldn't draft any of them either way....

Then he got poor legal advice. If he was with his attorney when the laptop got ditched he obviously took the advice he was given good or bad. It was the wrong thing to do but wasn't without apparently his lawyer advising him.

[C47]

So did Vick have character concerns before the NFl? How about Ray Lewis or Roethlisburger? What about Rae Carruth?? There is not a great correlation between something that happens in college versus whether it will happen when they are an adult. Some people learn from their mistakes, some don't. Some guys as they get older get better, some worse.

Did Tom Brady have character concerns...does he now, Manning, Rivers, Freeman I could go on. You can't just point out a couple of examples that support your point and say that's the be all and end all. Truth is the vast majority of players that don't get in trouble in college continue that trend later in life. Are there exceptions, of course but there are also of plenty of examples of guys who fuged up in college and continued to fug up in the NFL...

[C47]

Then he got poor legal advice. If he was with his attorney when the laptop got ditched he obviously took the advice he was given good or bad. It was the wrong thing to do but wasn't without apparently his lawyer advising him.

Do you even know anything about the situation? The police came to his dorm room to question him about the laptop and he tossed it out the window behind a dumpster and denied buying it. There was no attorney involved. A little research before you comment might help....

[Shufdog]

Are blacks as racially biased against picking Blaine as some whites are against picking Cameron?

Personally I think both will be out of the league in 3 years.

I've not seen one person in this forum say they didn't want Newton because he is black.