NFL Exec.: Cam Would Be Clear-Cut #1, If He Were White (And Other Valuable Nuggets)

[Mr. Scot]

Some of you need to pop some Midol and understand that sometimes when people say "running QB," they mean a QB who is known for his running as opposed to his arm. On the flip side, those of you that are too much of a bitch to stand up for your backwards ass classification system that you've felt the need to impose on the human race as a whole, shoot yourself in the mouth.

If you think "running QB" can only apply to black quarterbacks, you clearly never watched The Golden Calf of Bristol or Eric Crouch.

Heck, if you think all white guys are great passers, you probably haven't seen Craig Krenzel or, for that matter, Chris Weinke (among others).

[Mr. Scot]

If anything Ryan Mallett should be compared to Jamarcus Russell :iagree:

Ryan Mallett should be compared to Brett Favre. More specifically, the bad version of Brett Favre.

[Mr. Scot]

Cbs sports also said the same thing on Freeman. And who cares who said it. The fact that any of these draftniks said it is absurd. and I goes to the larger point. My point isn't about PFW. It is much broader than that.

Okay, but again you're gonna have to tell me who you mean.

No offense, but if it's not one of the major media outlets, I don't really care what they say.

And if you're talking primarily about fan perception, I don't honestly give a rip about that either.

[teeray]

I don't think of The Golden Calf of Bristol as a running QB. Crouch, Frazier, Nesbitt, are running QBs. Just bc a guy has a lot of rushing yards doesn't mean he is a running QB. You can be a dual threat like Cam oe The Golden Calf of Bristol without having to be stigmatized with the "running QB" label. Plus labelling these guys are what gets you in trouble in the first place. Not every player has to go under a certain label. That is how bias' start. :p

[mav1234]

wonderlic is not the only measurement people use for intelligence, from what I've heard... other things include what they see on tape relating to quickness of reads and coaching input... can't recall where I read that.

it is possible that one of these other areas was a concern for Freeman. Either way, this post isn't titles "Freeman would have gone #1 overall if he was white" (he wouldn't have, since he reminds me a hell of a lot of Gabbert tbqh), but Cam Newton.

Bias may exist at times, but why does its existence prove it is working against Newton *now*?

[Mr. Scot]

Oh, The Golden Calf of Bristol is definitely on my "running QB" list.

[teeray]

Okay, but again you're gonna have to tell me who you mean.

No offense, but if it's not one of the major media outlets, I don't really care what they say.

And if you're talking primarily about fan perception, I don't honestly give a rip about that either.

These are draftniks for major news organizations. Just bc you don't reccomend them means nothing to me. If I had my computer I would link them but it is a pain on the phone.

Plus I have gotten PFW most years and I don't find Narwocki as special as you do. He does a good job but you act like the guy is God.

As Hurney said he has better resources than Narwocki and doesn't agree with him. He also says Narwocki didn't talk to him. Narwocki said a guy was disengenious with a fake smile although he had never spoken to him.

He was flat wrong about Clausen's demeanor as well.

Two other good draftniks have said they would never do what he did as well as several journalists. Forgive me if I don't see him in the same glowing light you do.

I also don't think he is an awful person or a bad draftnik. Just not special.

[Mr. Scot]

wonderlic is not the only measurement people use for intelligence, from what I've heard... other things include what they see on tape relating to quickness of reads and coaching input... can't recall where I read that.

it is possible that one of these other areas was a concern for Freeman. Either way, this post isn't titles "Freeman would have gone #1 overall if he was white" (he wouldn't have, since he reminds me a hell of a lot of Gabbert tbqh), but Cam Newton.

Bias may exist at times, but why does its existence prove it is working against Newton *now*?

That's the big question.

I think a lot of it arises from a bit of egocentrism honestly. People think "he doesn't grade this guy the same as I do, therefore he must be biased". That's not realistic at all.

It is possible for two intelligent people to look at the same bod of work and come to different conclusions without one of them being racist, hateful or biased.

[Mr. Scot]

These are draftniks for major news organizations. Just bc you don't reccomend them means nothing to me. If I had my computer I would link them but it is a pain on the phone.

Plus I have gotten PFW most years and I don't find Narwocki as special as you do. He does a good job but you act like the guy is God.

As Hurney said he has better resources than Narwocki and doesn't agree with him. He also says Narwocki didn't talk to him. Narwocki said a guy was disengenious with a fake smile although he had never spoken to him.

He was flat wrong about Clausen's demeanor as well.

Two other good draftniks have said they would never do what he did as well as several journalists. Forgive me if I don't see him in the same glowing light you do.

I also don't think he is an awful person or a bad draftnik. Just not special.

You don't have to link them. Just name them. I just wanna know who you're talking about.

[Millions]

To each it's own but me personally I wouldn't hold a guys words in any high regard haven't not met or spoke to that prospect at least once. Especially when the news is being ripped to shreds by guys that have spent time with him.

[mav1234]

To each it's own but me personally I wouldn't hold a guys words in any high regard haven't not met or spoke to that prospect at least once.

Cam has been denying interviews. It is possible he actually tried to get one. We don't know if that is true or not of course.

Now, I respect Narwocki but I also don't place much in what he said for the precise reason you stated; he was relying second hand information. While he may prove to be correct, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

[teeray]

Does it matter who said it? It is the very fact that it is even a part of the conversation is a red flag. I can find out for you but you are going to have to wait till I get my computer because I don't feel like searching with my phone. I have some bookmarked on my computer. :sad:

And MAV I have no idea whether it is working against Cam. I guess why I might question it is because of all the vitriol flowing out of some reports and draftniks, yet here we are 4 weeks from draft and Cam is the front runner to be #1 overall. These guys have a lot more resources than anyone else and there seems to be a disconnect from what people like Narwocki are claiming and what is going on in front offices.

[C47]

You can't have it both ways. If you don't like the rookie choices, don't like who we have, and don't really think we can hit a homerun in FA, then by doing nothing you are settling for more of the same.

If you aren't happy with who we have, don't want to put all your eggs in the FA basket, then you take a shot in the draft if you think either Newton or Gabbert will be better than Clausen or Moore.

I think all of us would like Luck in the draft or have 1 guy who is a homerun. The difference is that I am willing to take the best guy we can while others are still holding out for who knows what.

So you're saying we should spend the number one overall draft pick on a guy who may or may not turn into a great QB when there are elite prospects at other positions of need. No thanks I would rather draft a position other then QB, give Clausen one more chance under the new staff to prove himself and then address QB next year if need be. You don't reach for a player at number one overall that costs coaches and GM's jobs every year....

[Mr. Scot]

Just an observation: Isn't this whole conversation a little dumb given that there's a pretty good chance Newton actually will be picked #1 overall? :sosp:

(seems to me it would make more sense after the fact)

As a side note, if I were guessing on the identity of the exec, I'd probably say Al Davis.