1999

[Brooklyn Bully]

I never said draft a QB #1. I said the OP is trying to make a point that we should NOT do it, when it may work out for us if we did.

[stirs]

The 1999 draft is nothing like this One. For one the 1999 draft was said to be a great quarterback class at the time. Infact most people said it has the ability to rival the 1983 class. The 83 class was said to be the best ever and since most see this years class as bad, it far fetched to say this is as good as that one. Akili smith himself said he wishes he had half the athleticism of newton. Part the reason for smiths downfall was off the field problems and low work ethic.

Thanks for making my point.

Only 4 guys are worthy of the top pick and one of them would be available at 5 if AZ traded up for a QB.

Green, Miller, Peterson, or Dareus would all help our team. A sure thing in this draft in the first and our "chance" QB in the second round. If our "chance" guy washes, at least we have a good first round talent left. It will be two years befoe the QB plays anyway. These guys are all projects and with not OTA's or playbooks, they will be worthless this coming season.

[Brokenbad]

You're obviously apart of the Cam smear campaign and he BOUGHT a stolen laptop, didn't actually STEAL it.

Can't believe you're actually trying to justify snorting cocaine over buying a stolen laptop

Incompetence eh?

You arent very good at detecting sacrcasm eh?

[frash.exe]

The best bet is to try to create the same environment that was around in 99, and have someone, like AZ, switch places with us and give us their second.

Second round is the place where most of these guys belong anyway.

At 5, take Green, Dareus, Miller, or Peterson, all who would be worthy of pick 5, and then, if need be, take Mallet in the second. He is just as risky as the others, but he has great skills, especially for the run first offense we will run.

Best scenario, a month out.

What is your best scenario?

nirvana fallacies ftw

[Darth Biscuit]

The 1999 draft is a prime example of why YOU SHOULD NOT draft the #1 QB on the damn board...especially with the group of jokers we have at QB in this years draft.

I agree with Ohio. That in and of itself is worth posting.

We need to stay away from a QB at #1.

[Highlandfire]

now I need to insert something here that is being missed. Culpepper was doing outstanding before he blew every single ligament in that knee of his and tried to come back too fast. Even with his last three crappy years he has a career 63% completion rating.

I could handle the next Dante Culpepper

[JawnyBlaze]

Baseless speculation. The only vice he's ever been caught with is underage drinking, same as "golden boy" Gabbert.

Have you met Mallet's friend?

[Wither]

You're obviously apart of the Cam smear campaign and he BOUGHT a stolen laptop, didn't actually STEAL it.

Still not cool. At all.

Probably the same charge.

[JawnyBlaze]

Still not cool. At all.

Probably the same charge.

Uh, they're not...and there's a huge difference. Stealing something is larceny. Buying stolen merchandise is simply possession of stolen property.

There's no way anyone could say "oh I didn't know that was someone else's property when I took it" when accused of larceny. There's no real way of knowing whether Cam knew the laptop was stolen when he bought it. Even if he did (which he probably did) it's still not really any different than buying pirated DVDs, which a large percentage of people, who have had the opportunity, have done. At the very least, very few people who DON'T buy pirated movies, download free music (back in the golden days of Napster, etc) and whathaveyou don't do it because they "feel it's wrong".

[teeray]

The Eli, Rivers, Roethlisberger class had a lot of questions around it too.

I am not saying their year is like this year but I also won't say that 99 is like this year.

Honestly, despite some peoples questions, what if Cam, Gabbert, and Mallett become franchise QBs. Ponder and Dalton become good starters. Stanzi and Kaepernick become decent QBs or great back ups.

Suddenly this becomes the greatest QB class on history.

I just don't think you can compare QB classes until they actually play in the NFL. Until then you are guessing.

[mountainpantherfan]

The 1999 draft is nothing like this One. For one the 1999 draft was said to be a great quarterback class at the time. Infact most people said it has the ability to rival the 1983 class. The 83 class was said to be the best ever and since most see this years class as bad, it far fetched to say this is as good as that one. Akili smith himself said he wishes he had half the athleticism of newton. Part the reason for smiths downfall was off the field problems and low work ethic.

I continue to be on the fence with Cam Newton. From day to day I change my mind if I think he is the next Steve Young or the next Ryan Leaf.

But one thing I do know for sure, that GIF you have as your signature is one of the reasons I don't want Newton. Let him try that play at training camp and Charles Johnson and Jon Beason will be feeling pretty bad about hurting the new #1 over pick that early in the season. That mindset just will not work in the NFL.

Still, I can't shake the feeling he might be something special. Steve Young or Ryan Leaf. Still not sure and I'm glad I'm not Hurney.

[teeray]

I continue to be on the fence with Cam Newton. From day to day I change my mind if I think he is the next Steve Young or the next Ryan Leaf.

But one thing I do know for sure, that GIF you have as your signature is one of the reasons I don't want Newton. Let him try that play at training camp and Charles Johnson and Jon Beason will be feeling pretty bad about hurting the new #1 over pick that early in the season. That mindset just will not work in the NFL.

Still, I can't shake the feeling he might be something special. Steve Young or Ryan Leaf. Still not sure and I'm glad I'm not Hurney.

I know linebackers arw big in the NFL. And I agree we don't want Cam running as much as he did in college.

But he is 6'6 250 pounds. He isn't a delicate flower. This isn't Mike Vick size. This is a guy the size of a linebackers who are tackling him.

And if the linebackers miss the CB and safeties have their work cut out for them trying ro tackle him.

Again I don't want him to run as often as he did (not even close) but when he does he has the ability to break tackles and make things happen.

[mountainpantherfan]

I know linebackers arw big in the NFL. And I agree we don't want Cam running as much as he did in college.

But he is 6'6 250 pounds. He isn't a delicate flower. This isn't Mike Vick size. This is a guy the size of a linebackers who are tackling him.

And if the linebackers miss the CB and safeties have their work cut out for them trying ro tackle him.

Again I don't want him to run as often as he did (not even close) but when he does he has the ability to break tackles and make things happen.

I'm not saying he can't make plays with his feet in the NFL. But that play, that exact play, Charles Johnson coming off the edge wouldn't have missed like the LSU DE did nor would Newton be able to out run Beason over the middle like Newton did to the MLB in that play.

That play is a great college high light. But that play exploited Newton's speed compared to DE and LB that were slower than him. Newton is not faster than Johnson and Beason. He can not exploit DE and LB in the NFL.

Vick, early in his career in Atlanta, was the exception. He was faster than a Julius Peppers and a Dan Morgan. But Newton isn't even close to the speed of Vick now, much less the speed he had coming out of college.

That's what I mean as his mindset has to change. It's not just pass more often than run. It's also adjusting to the fact that he won't be faster than 90% of the front seven anymore. Most DT will be as QUICK as him. It's not just running, its the spead coming off the edge and up the middle. Adjusting to the speed of the NFL is something everyplayer has to go through and many of the 1st round picks that "bust" IMO that speed is a huge factor in them not being able to succed in the NFL.

With that said, he very well could adjust, learn how to be more of a pocket passer and just step up and throw quick as compared to run and be the next Steve Young or Steve McNair or ect.

Like I said, I don't envy Hurney at all this year.

[teeray]

That is true and you have a good point. All I will say is that is isn't just about catching Cam. You have to form tackle him. No arm tackles with Newton.

The Golden Calf of Bristol was a very effective runner last year. If you expand his totals in his 3 starts over 16 games he would have rushed for more than 1000 yards and 16 TDs.

The Golden Calf of Bristol ran a 4.79 40 at the combine last year.

Newton ran a 4.59 which is close to where ESPN clocked D-Will at his pro day the year he came out (4.55). But other teams including us clocked D-Will faster than that so take that stat FWIW.

So I still think he can be an effective runner in the NFL. Just hopefully less attempts. A lot less.