Gus Malzahn blasts Nawrocki (PFW)'s account of Newton

[ncmonzta]

When will you idiots get over Luck. He does NOT want to play here. Do you think if Harbaugh had the first pick he would still be at Stanford.:rolleyes:Let it go. You guys are desperate as hell. Like stalking the pretty gitl that never liked you. What if Luck gets injured or is not the next "Peyton Manning"sheesh. Do I have to be the one to rain on the damn parade?

He's not damn perfect-Negatives: There aren’t a lot of things wrong with Luck’s game, but there are some things that I noticed and had problems with when watching him. First, he doesn’t have the best pocket poise. Especially off of play action he tends to panic and start to scramble if his first or second read isn’t there, and he will throw off balance a lot in these situations. Whether it is off of his back foot or while he is scrambling (even across his body occasionally) he will throw passes without setting his feet which I don’t like to see. He needs to work on his pocket presence if possible. I don’t know if he has a problem feeling the pressure, but he just needs to learn to step up into the pocket and buy time by side-stepping the rush at times instead of pulling the ball down to scramble. He also needs to be coached to not throw off of his back foot as often as he does. He also doesn’t have very good arm strength. He has great zip on passes to about 20-25 yards, but when he tries to throw a deep ball he will often be encountered with underthrown passes that have a lot of air under them. That is something he needs to work on.

[teeray]

Half of the hate on this board toward Cam isn't because people hate Newton. It is because they hate that he isn't Andrew Luck.

[ncmonzta]

Half of the hate on this board toward Cam isn't because people hate Newton. It is because they hate that he isn't Andrew Luck.

There's no such thing as a franchise QB if his name ain't Luck, that's what I hear anyways:thumbsup:

Oh yeah and if you hear anything good about Newton, teeray, ignore it it's not true, only the fakeness is true

[Mr. Scot]

Not in this draft, there isn't.

Some drafts don't have a true franchise QB in them. I'd say this is one of them.

Every draft has one guy who's the best choice of the bunch, but that doesn't make him a franchise quarterback.

Teams that drafted Heath Shuler, David Carr and many others got what was believed to be the best QB available in their draft. Only problem is they weren't really that good.

I have a feeling that same scenario happens this year.

(but hopefully, to someone other than us)

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Not in this draft, there isn't.

Some drafts don't have a true franchise QB in them. I'd say this is one of them.

Every draft has one guy who's the best choice of the bunch, but that doesn't make him a franchise quarterback.

So Mr. Scot, provide me your opinion on why Cam Newton is not a franchise QB. Suprise me sir, your going to have to since I am an Auburn fan which in turn makes my knowledge of Newton greater than most. (There was not one Auburn game that I missed this year and there was not one time where I questioned Newton's ability to become a franchise QB, on top of that you are going to have to provide me a better example then the fact that he is a run first QB because that is slight truth at best on top of that the NFL is most certainly making a shift to a Cam Newton type of QB with guys like The Golden Calf of Bristol, Michael Vick, Ben Rothlisberger, and Cam Newton all seeing playing time next year.)

[ncmonzta]

Not in this draft, there isn't.

Some drafts don't have a true franchise QB in them. I'd say this is one of them.

Every draft has one guy who's the best choice of the bunch, but that doesn't make him a franchise quarterback.

Luck is the only one that matters in the world, what the hell are you talking?:nono:

[blackcatgrowl]

Not in this draft, there isn't.

Some drafts don't have a true franchise QB in them. I'd say this is one of them.

Every draft has one guy who's the best choice of the bunch, but that doesn't make him a franchise quarterback.

Again more absolutes.

You can't possibly know if there is a Franchise QB in this draft. Newton could be the next Big Ben. Hell, there might be another Brady sitting in the lower rounds. You SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW.

I'm going to start calling you Zoltar. You obviously think you know the future.

[Mr. Scot]

So Mr. Scot, provide me your opinion on why Cam Newton is not a franchise QB. Suprise me sir.

I don't think he has the right skill set to become that franchise QB.

There are major questions about his ability to read defenses, his ability to run plays from under center, whether he can hit receivers in tight coverage consistently, and other things.

That doesn't say "franchise QB" to me.

And no, I don't get the franchise QB read on Gabbert, Mallett, Locker or any of the others either.

(guess I must hate them too)

[Mr. Scot]

Again more absolutes.

You can't possibly know if there is a Franchise QB in this draft. Newton could be the next Big Ben. Hell, there might be another Brady sitting in the lower rounds. You SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW.

And you know that there is?

[blackcatgrowl]

And you know that there is?

Jesus Christ dude...

Of course I don't. I'm not dealing in absolutes here. But here's what I do know...

Given our division, given our current stable of QBs, and given our fuging horrendous play at QB last year, we are obliged to go after one in the draft. Having the #1 pick, that means we have the chance to go after the best candidate. Since Luck stayed in school, that candidate is Cam Newton.

It is REALLY that simple. What is so god damned hard to understand about that?

[Mr. Scot]

Jesus Christ dude...

Of course I don't. I'm not dealing in absolutes here. But here's what I do know...

Given our division, given our current stable of QBs, and given our fuging horrendous play at QB last year, we are obliged to go after one in the draft. Having the #1 pick, that means we have the chance to go after the best candidate. Since Luck stayed in school, that candidate is Cam Newton.

It is REALLY that simple. What is so god damned hard to understand about that?

Not really.

You're engaging in what I call "bait and switch thinking". Meaning that we went to the store, but the product we really wanted was gone. Now we have the choice to either wait until that product becomes available again, or just take the best thing in stock right now and just hope it's as good as the other would have been.

I don't think what's "in stock right now" is good enough, so I'd rather go to a different store. In this case, that'd be the Trade and Free Agency Store (which, unfortunately, is closed until at least April 6th and maybe longer).

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I don't think he has the right skill set to become that franchise QB.

There are major questions about his ability to read defenses, his ability to run plays from under center, whether he can hit receivers in tight coverage consistently, and other things.

That doesn't say "franchise QB" to me.

And no, I don't get the franchise QB read on Gabbert, Mallett, Locker or any of the others either.

(guess I must hate them too)

His ability to read defenses is a question, that is very true. However, he is not as stupid or naive as many believe. His wonderlic score of 21 is slightly above average, he has a GPA of 3.2 which is above the 2.5 average of student athletes. He has shown the ability to read defense's just base on his ability to know when to stay in the pocket or take off as he averaged a very impressive 5.6 yards per carry stat.

However, he has started taking snaps under center in his workout and most are very impressed with how fast he has picked it up.

His accuracy is probably one of the most underrated tools he has. His accuracy in tight spaces is signifcantly above average as his completion percentage was in the 15th percentile of the NCAA if I am not mistaken. On top of that throwing only 7 interceptions has to tell the fans and scouts that he can make some tight throws and not all of them are dump down's based on his 10.2 average yards per pass stat.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I don't think he has the right skill set to become that franchise QB.

There are major questions about his ability to read defenses, his ability to run plays from under center, whether he can hit receivers in tight coverage consistently, and other things.

That doesn't say "franchise QB" to me.

And no, I don't get the franchise QB read on Gabbert, Mallett, Locker or any of the others either.

(guess I must hate them too)

I never said, you hate anyone but for being so defensive...well is there anything you want to own up to?

[blackcatgrowl]

Not really.

You're engaging in what I call "bait and switch thinking". Meaning that we went to the store, but the product we really wanted was gone. Now we have the choice to either wait until that product becomes available again, or just take the best thing in stock right now and just hope it's as good as the other would have been.

I don't think what's "in stock right now" is good enough, so I'd rather go to a different store. In this case, that'd be the Trade and Free Agency Store (which, unfortunately, is closed until at least April 6th and maybe longer).

Do strawmen rise up like zombies on this forum and possess people's accounts?

But Lets take your analogy a little further.

In this case, we're actually going to the drug store. We're going there because we've been poisoned by a venom called "2-14" that was delivered by a snake called "shitty QB play". This poison has made our franchise sick with "poor attendance", "an uninterested fan base" and "shame".

We need immediate aid in the form of an offense that can score points and win games. The best cure for that is to get anti-venom in the form of a "Franchise QB". The products on the shelf aren't what everyone recommended (Andrew Luck), but there are some really promising options on the shelf, and one in particular a lot of people say works (Newton).

If we wait, and don't get any anti-venom (QBs), we might get sicker (in terms of lower attendance and further shame, or even a worse record), or we might get a little better (8-8), but have lingering affects (like years of sub-playoff play).