The John Fox Mentality. Cmon

[ncbobcat]

3 of those 4 teams picked a qb in the 1st round. one had a pro bowler and still went with a qb. so 3 teams gambled and it worked.

Brady, no discussion here, 6th rounder. Rodgers, later first round pick like Ben, but sat for 4 years while a HOF QB tutored him. Big Ben had a playoff calibre team supporting him. He was told *gasp* just to manage the game.

Peyton Manning is the only straw you all have to grasp at and he has just as many wedding rings as Super Bowl rings....one. I dare say the Colts haven't sucked during his tenure at Indy either.

[ncbobcat]

So a team that many consider the worst run team in the NFL recovered pretty quickly...thanks.

Explain how this group is any different then Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman. All of which we would be happy to have as our QB.

Thanks for proving that we can win more quickly shoring up other holes and bringing in a veteran QBs. Thanks for also proving that the Raiders weren't actually that bad of a team while JaMarcus was there and it was a rookie QB experiement gone bad that was holding them back. All it took was some competant QB play to turn their record around.

Sanchez and Stafford have not shown much thus far. They had more hype coming out of college though. Freeman has been better than I expected, I'll give you that. Oh, wasn't Freeman the latest of those three drafted?

[Panthro]

Thanks for proving that we can win more quickly shoring up other holes and bringing in a veteran QBs. Thanks for also proving that the Raiders weren't actually that bad of a team while JaMarcus was there and it was a rookie QB experiement gone bad that was holding them back. All it took was some competant QB play to turn their record around.

Sanchez and Stafford have not shown much. They had more hype coming out though. Freeman has been better than I expected. Oh, wasn't Freeman the lastest of those three drafted?

So says the John Fox mentality.

And to your second paragraph...lol ok

[csx]

If the team decides not to select a QB with the frist pick does that mean they still have the John Fox mentality? It seems that Rivera, to this point, is quite a bit different than fox in terms of what he says at least. But what if they literally don't think a QB is the best way to use the pick?

And I wouldn't be happy with Stafford if I were a Lions fan. It's not that I'm thinking he's no good, but that doesn't change the fact he hasn't been much of a payout in terms of the investment. I wouldn't want a Sanchez at all with a #1 pick. Put him on a week team and you'd have a completely different view of him.

[ncbobcat]

So says the John Fox mentality.

And to your second paragraph...lol ok

Wait, the Jets made the playoffs, right? I got it, but was that because of QB play or in spite of it? Stafford has played decently, but to #1 overall potential? Nope, not yet at least. Blame it on the Lions if you will, but I'll point you right back to the Raiders example.

[Panthro]

If the team decides not to select a QB with the frist pick does that mean they still have the John Fox mentality? It seems that Rivera, to this point, is quite a bit different than fox in terms of what he says at least. But what if they literally don't think a QB is the best way to use the pick?

I would be surprised to tell you the truth.

My opinion. If they stay at #1 they will pick a QB.

[DaCityKats]

Brady, no discussion here, 6th rounder. Rodgers, later first round pick like Ben, but sat for 4 years while a HOF QB tutored him. Big Ben had a playoff calibre team supporting him. He was told *gasp* just to manage the game.

Peyton Manning is the only straw you all have to grasp at and he has just as many wedding rings as Super Bowl rings....one. I dare say the Colts haven't sucked during his tenure at Indy either.

the point was that they still gambled on a QB in the 1st round. Favre did not tutor Rodgers either, Rodgers might have taken it upon himself to watch Favre but he did not play the mentor role. The steelers would not have won that 2nd ring 3 years ago if it wasnt for Bens game winning TD throw.

Like i said 3 out of the 4 teams that was listed picked a QB in the 1st round. and now those 3 are considered to be FQB's.

o and throwing for 500+ plus yards in a game is a helleva game manger. gasp.

[Peppers90 NC]

So a team that many consider the worst run team in the NFL recovered pretty quickly...thanks.

Explain how this group is any different then Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman. All of which we would be happy to have as our QB.

Uhm, they are at best what this whole thread is trying not to be. Congrats for recognizing that.

[Peppers90 NC]

4-12, 5-11, 5-11 --- 8-8(awesome like this thread) the years after the Russell busted the Raiders. I think Cam will be better than him tho.

[ncbobcat]

the point was that they still gambled on a QB in the 1st round. Favre did not tutor Rodgers either, Rodgers might have taken it upon himself to watch Favre but he did not play the mentor role. The steelers would not have won that 2nd ring 3 years ago if it wasnt for Bens game winning TD throw.

Like i said 3 out of the 4 teams that was listed picked a QB in the 1st round. and now those 3 are considered to be FQB's.

My point, how many of those guys were drafted #1 overall? Manning. How many Superbowls does he have? One. It's less of a risk, capwise, to take a QB outside of the top 10. If you have to part ways because of a bust pick, it won't hurt the franchise nearly as bad. The Cam nuthuggers want him #1 overall and given how raw and developmental of a project he is, it's a huge risk monetarily and to the team's prosperity if he doesn't pan out.

[Lout]

Peyton Manning was considered the 'safe pick' between him and Ryan Leaf. Ryan Leaf was the guy with more upside, with a stronger arm, also he has character concerns. We all know the ending to that story. The Colts did indeed play it safe.

[Panthro]

Uhm, they are at best what this whole thread is trying not to be. Congrats for recognizing that.

If we were fine with 8-8 Fox would still be here. We've averaged 8-8 for the last 9 years. There's a risk with every pick. We aren't the Raiders. We could recover rather quickly if picking Newton fails. The reward outweighs the risk in this instance.

[DaCityKats]

My point, how many of those guys were drafted #1 overall? Manning. How many Superbowls does he have? One. It's less of a risk, capwise, to take a QB outside of the top 10. If you have to part ways because of a bust pick, it won't hurt the franchise nearly as bad. The Cam nuthuggers want him #1 overall and given how raw and developmental of a project he is, it's a huge risk monetarily and to the team's prosperity if he doesn't pan out.

#1 or #18 they still gambled and took a QB in the first.it just so happens that we have the first pick so if you are high on a prospect you take him. According to Rahiem Morris if they had the 1st pick they would have taken Freeman.

Some people are tired of having a game manger and actually want a QB who can win a game by himself.

[Panthro]

My point, how many of those guys were drafted #1 overall? Manning. How many Superbowls does he have? One. It's less of a risk, capwise, to take a QB outside of the top 10. If you have to part ways because of a bust pick, it won't hurt the franchise nearly as bad. The Cam nuthuggers want him #1 overall and given how raw and developmental of a project he is, it's a huge risk monetarily and to the team's prosperity if he doesn't pan out.

And if he does. Boy, I'm glad we took the chance.