The John Fox Mentality. Cmon

[Jangler]

For me, I understand the concern some have of Cam's mechanics and the offensive style he played in college.

What I cannot understand is this knock that he's not mentally tough enough to play at the next level. The kid won every game he could at the top level of college football in the toughest league in the country, and he did it under more scrutiny than any player in the history of the game.

To me that's worth something.

I am not knocking Cam on that. I was just thinking about how Jake got fired up and made himself and the team better, despite John Fox and his ho-hum attitude. Can Cam be the same way?

[mmmbeans]

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[ncbobcat]

Bust franchise QBs sets franchises back many years, bust lineman or skill players outside of QB sets back teams only a couple.

I pay for PSLs and I want a winning product. If that means going safe, so be it. I don't want to see a losing product while a rookie QB, especially a raw one like Cam, tries to find his way.

[Carolina Husker]

We're in an almost unique position in the NFL. We had a team last year that was simultaneously undergoing a massive change in on-the-field leadership, working for a lame-duck coaching staff, and starting way too many rookies at skill positions. Moreover, we were almost too sensitive to the injury bug (possibly because the coaches were leaving anyway, so the FO got risk-averse). And we stunk it up big-time on the field.

If you go back through the last ten years, you'll be hard-pressed to find any team taking in the top three that's anywhere near as talented as we are. Maybe the Chargers in 2004, but most of the teams spent a couple years earning the right to pick at the top (take a look at how often Detroit and Cleveland are in there). I would argue that even without a pick, we're young enough and talented enough to get back to the middle of the pack this year.

And because of that, there's never been a better time to take a risk. It's not like we'll end up in Raider territory if Newton is a bust, it just means we swung for the fences and missed.

Very much agree, except the only thing that will guarantee us being back here next year is if we maintain the status quo at the QB spot.

[Panthro]

Bust franchise QBs sets franchises back many years, bust lineman or skill players outside of QB sets back teams only a couple.

I pay for PSLs and I want a winning product. If that means going safe, so be it. I don't want to see a losing product while a rookie QB, especially a raw one like Cam, tries to find his way.

Could you explain the difference between many years ve a couple years?

Also how does passing on a franchise QB factor in? The Panthers have never had a franchise QB...ever. 0 Super Bowls.

[Jangler]

Bust franchise QBs sets franchises back many years, bust lineman or skill players outside of QB sets back teams only a couple.

I pay for PSLs and I want a winning product. If that means going safe, so be it. I don't want to see a losing product while a rookie QB, especially a raw one like Cam, tries to find his way.

A rookie pay scale will go a long way into being able to take chances from time to time.

[csx]

Could you explain the difference between many years ve a couple years?

Also how does passing on a franchise QB factor in? The Panthers have never had a franchise QB...ever. 0 Super Bowls.

and there are franchise QBs who have never sniffed playing in the Super Bowl....yet Jake Delhomme has

[ncbobcat]

Could you explain the difference between many years ve a couple years?

Also how does passing on a franchise QB factor in? The Panthers have never had a franchise QB...ever. 0 Super Bowls.

Like 2 years vs. 5 years. A team is much sooner to throw in a towel on a WR, DB or lineman than a QB.

We have zero Superbowl wins, but so do a lot of teams since 1995. Don't forget we were a kick out of bounds away from one with a jouneyman that nobody outside of New Orleans or Charlotte knew about.

There are plenty of franchise QBs out there with out a Superbowl win. Go ahead with a laundry list of one timers, but the only two really successful ones have been Brady (6th rounder) and Big Ben (not top ten selection).

[Panthro]

and there are franchise QBs who have never sniffed playing in the Super Bowl....yet Jake Delhomme has

What do you consider "sniffing"? I'm going to need you to prove that first statement.

[Panthro]

Like 2 years vs. 5 years. A team is much sooner to throw in a towel on a WR, DB or lineman than a QB.

We have zero Superbowl wins, but so do a lot of teams since 1995. Don't forget we were a kick out of bounds away from one with a jouneyman that nobody outside of New Orleans or Charlotte knew about.

There are plenty of franchise QBs out there with out a Superbowl win. Go ahead with a laundry list of one timers, but the only two really successful ones have been Brady (6th rounder) and Big Ben (not top ten selection).

When did the Raiders select Russell and What was the Raider record last year?

[csx]

What do you consider "sniffing"? I'm going to need you to prove that first statement.

Ok, I should have said "reached".

[DaCityKats]

How much have the Steelers, Patriots and Packers gambled? Colts?

3 of those 4 teams picked a qb in the 1st round. one had a pro bowler and still went with a qb. so 3 teams gambled and it worked.

[ncbobcat]

Yep, they brought in a group of veteran QBs and cut their losses much earlier than most teams would have. Hell, even Al Davis could tell he was a piece of poo. The Raiders sucked for a few years while the Russell experiment was going on, right?

Keep trying.

By the way, I'm not against a rookie QBs though it may seem that way, just this year's group.

[Panthro]

Yep, they brought in a group of veteran QBs and cut their losses much earlier than most teams would have. Hell, even Al Davis could tell he was a piece of poo. The Raiders sucked for a few years while the Russell experiment was going on, right?

Keep trying.

By the way, I'm not against a rookie QBs though it may seem that way, just this year's group.

So a team that many consider the worst run team in the NFL recovered pretty quickly...thanks.

Explain how this group is any different then Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman. All of which we would be happy to have as our QB.