YAS: Panthers need to take Cam Newton

[micnificent28]

The manner in which they play the position and what was asked is nothing alike though.

personally, I don't think Sanchez is a game manager. I never considered Delhomme one either. I consider them gunslingers/gamblers you try to control/limit.

Neither of them have a "gun" to sling. Both have or had good arm strength. your the first person i've seen that hasn't thought jake was a game manager.with that said if he was such a gun slinger, why did rex ryan have him on the color code system coming out? they had a flag they would raise to let sanchez know what play he was to run allowed to run. In his second year i still don't think they have taken the training wheels off.

while i don't think this will be the case with gabbert,it is something to talk about.

[JawnyBlaze]

No one said their playing styles were similar (Sanchez and Gabbert), but that they are similar in how they will handle a professional team. They will manage the game, they will be "ok" and only succeed with playmakers to carry him on offense and a great defense.

[Proudiddy]

Cam is a less skilled Big Ben (in regards to footwork and accuracy) with around the same character issues and at worst he is Jamarcus Russell.

Blaine is a mobile Matt Ryan or at worst a mobile Kyle Orton.

Comparing Gabbert to Sanchez is just odd.

I think a comparison to Sanchez is fair. Ryan is considered in that top 5 or just outside the top 5, so I wouldn't go that far yet. His college resume isn't all that great (at least in terms of dominating or winning). So I think it's fair because Sanchez is a top 10 guy IMO, and a good, sometimes great QB.

But to say Cam is a less skilled Big Ben if you compare them both coming out of college... Did you know who Roethlisberger was prior to being drafted? And if you did, did you know who he was before his last season at Miami(OH)? I'd say they both had a lot of the same issues coming out. Ben may have been slightly, and I mean VERY SLIGHTLY more refined in accuracy, but I don't think by enough to separate them.

From what I remember, they're games are VERY similar passing-wise coming out (both excellent throwing the deep ball, have to work on short-to-intermediate), but Cam is the better overall athlete.

[Verge]

So Big Ben being a possible (repeat)rapist = buying a stolen laptop (at 18) or violating a NCCA rule?

Character issues are character issues, period. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Ryan, and Drew Brees do not have any character issues.

You are making excuses for Cam's issues, "at least he isn't a rapist".

[micnificent28]

Cam is a less skilled Big Ben (in regards to footwork and accuracy) with around the same character issues and at worst he is Jamarcus Russell.

Blaine is a mobile Matt Ryan or at worst a mobile Kyle Orton.

Comparing Gabbert to Sanchez is just odd.

Not with his 15% completion percentage on deep throws. Ryan and even orton are pretty good with this. As far as character concerns, How come no one brings up Gabbert's bar fight that left his little brother Tyler with a broken nose? Gabberts character is just flawless. Or how he rubs some people as being arrogant?

[CRA]

Neither of them have a "gun" to sling. Both have or had good arm strength. your the first person i've seen that hasn't thought jake was a game manager.with that said if he was such a gun slinger, why did rex ryan have him on the color code system coming out? they had a flag they would raise to let sanchez know what play he was to run allowed to run. In his second year i still don't think they have taken the training wheels off.

while i don't think this will be the case with gabbert,it is something to talk about.

Gunslingers don't have to have a Brett Favre arm. It is the decision making/risks they are will to take with the football. Has nothng to do with the velocity put on a ball.

If Jake Delhomme was a game manager he would have had a losing record imo. Game managers don't throw into double and triple coverage off there back foot consistantly b/c they have faith in Moose (early years) and Smith. Jake was a gambler. Sanchez is a gambler. Jimmy Clausen tried to be a game manager......he just did it very poorly.

[Verge]

Not with his 15% completion percentage on deep throws. Ryan and even orton are pretty good with this. As far as character concerns, How come no one brings up Gabbert's bar fight that left his little brother Tyler with a broken nose? Gabberts character is just flawless. Or how he rubs some people as being arrogant?

If I try to justify this I will look like a hypocritical douche bag, so I won't.

However, I promise you I could.

[mav1234]

Gabbert comes with all the supposed "concerns" Newton does (you know footwork... accuracy... played in a spread)

Except he has a weaker arm.

But somehow he's more convincing of a pick?

This is why I label you Anti-Cam. Actually, "anything-but-cam" would be more appropriate.

Anything but Cam? Even though I don't want to draft a QB? :P

You're wrong about the same concerns, actually. Gabbert's accuracy is not a concern. His footwork is miles ahead of Cam's, primarily because he has been practicing snaps from under center in his offseasons since high school, but it still needs work. He played in a different kind of spread, but it was a spread, so there are still concerns about adjusting to NFL reads, but because Missouri emphasized pre snap reads by the QB, that is one area that is NOT a concern (whereas in some other spreads, those reads come from the sidelines). Gabbert's concerns center primarily on his production and his deep ball (>30 yrds) but more importantly his pocket presence. Just like many other QBs (Cam included) he has yet to master when to step up in the pocket and complete the tough throws. He is a slightly worse athlete compared to Cam but not by much. He is more than athletic enough to escape the pocket and extend plays.

Cam's strength is a superior deep ball to Gabbert, more athletic, more comfortable making plays with his legs instead of just extending plays with them. He has clearly shown great mental toughness in and out of games. He's got a lot of raw talent that could turn out well, but he's wildly inconsistent in his throws and his footwork at this point. He's still learning the position in many ways, and while he could be great, there's no guarantees with any of these prospects.

By saying gabbert and cam have nearly the same upside states you can't see the forrest for the trees with cam. There upside is massively diffrent. while cams floor is lower.

I just don't see it - I think they both have tremendous potential. Could Cam's be higher? Probably, but at that point they are both at a "great" quarterback level so I don't see it.

I still don't get this "like nothing we've seen before" stuff, which may be why I don't agree with you guys. I think his ceiling is high but I feel the same way about Gabbert. Doesn't mean I think he's worth taking.

edit: RE that bar fight, nobody was even arrested for that fight and it was because some dude was taking too long to piss in a bathroom. seriously, character concern? lol. I'm sure NFL teams will investigate it, and they ought to. Also, he does strike some as arrogant and that has been in some reports, but if he doesn't strike the person who is writing as arrogant why would they include it? Most people seem more impressed with him than finding him arrogant, much like the MAJORITY opinion on Newton. Just haven't had a major figure come out and rag on Gabbert yet.

[CRA]

Character issues are character issues, period. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Ryan, and Drew Brees do not have any character issues.

You are making excuses for Cam's issues, "at least he isn't a rapist".

Not making any excuses, just pointing out how silly it is for some to claim Cam has similar character issues as someone who has been accused of sexual assualt repeatedly and a douchebag to his own teammates (all post college). Hell of a reach.

[mav1234]

Not making any excuses, just pointing out how silly it is for some to claim Cam has similar character issues as someone who has been accused of sexual assualt repeatedly and a douchebag to his own teammates (all post college). Hell of a reach.

Cam has character concerns but none of them should make us think he'll be a rapist, wtf. There's no reason to link Cam's character to that of the major offenders in the NFL right now. Silly.

Cam's done some poo things but come on. I'd rather have him on my team than Vick or Big Ben, when we're talking about character issues. Of course, I'd rather draft a different player than Cam but it has very little to do with his character concerns.

edit: clarified to see I wasnt saying CRA was stupid, lol

[CRA]

Cam has character concerns but none of them should make us think he'll be a rapist, wtf. There's no reason to link Cam's character to that of the major offenders in the NFL right now. Silly.

Cam's done some poo things but come on. I'd rather have him on my team than Vick or Big Ben, when we're talking about character issues. Of course, I'd rather draft a different player than Cam but it has very little to do with his character concerns.

edit: clarified to see I wasnt saying CRA was stupid, lol

I understood.

I agree Cam has character issues, the other poster just made too big of a reach. It would be like saying PP has the same character issues as Pacman Jones. Retarded. You can't just randomly say two people have similar character issues when there issues are vastly different and on top of that occured at different ages.

[Swarly]

why is EVERY pro-newton thread 5 stars, and EVERY against-newton thread 1 star? it doesn't even let me vote on it.

[TheRealDeal]

I love how people STILL don't understand the differences between Gabbert's spread and Cam's spread

[micnificent28]

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I still don't get this "like nothing we've seen before" stuff, which may be why I don't agree with you guys. I think his ceiling is high but I feel the same way about Gabbert. Doesn't mean I think he's worth taking.

edit: RE that bar fight, nobody was even arrested for that fight and it was because some dude was taking too long to piss in a bathroom. seriously, character concern? lol. I'm sure NFL teams will investigate it, and they ought to. Also, he does strike some as arrogant and that has been in some reports, but if he doesn't strike the person who is writing as arrogant why would they include it? Most people seem more impressed with him than finding him arrogant, much like the MAJORITY opinion on Newton. Just haven't had a major figure come out and rag on Gabbert yet.

I don't know how else to explain the upside thing lol. But about the bar fight,Cam wasn't arrested for the stolen lab top but still its every where. I bet less than 20% of this board even knew about the gabbert fight thing. Because of how big of a name he has he is under the microscope a little more than Gabbert.