YAS: Panthers need to take Cam Newton

[micnificent28]

Newton can be more than that. At best, Newton’s going to be Freeman or Ben Roethlisberger or maybe even something better than we’ve ever seen.

That is the key part when trying to put into words the Huge upside of Newton. In a league where nothing is new under the sun,Having the potential to be diffrent is a big deal. Men as big as Newton shouldn't be able to move the way he moves. Not from just a running stand point but avoiding the pass rush. I think his avoiding the rush ablity is second only to vick.

With that said vick isn't 6'6 260. Vick doesn't have the body to make 3rd and 2 a cake walk. And wasn't nearly as good a passer coming out.

[mav1234]

I've seen a few of your post and you repeat this. You can't see the upside of newton and think gabbert has more. While i'd rather have cam just for the upside reason, i wouldn't be upset with gabbert. I think pat is right, when i think of his style it is alot like sanchez. Looking at his play last season reflects that.

His supbar stats show minus Alexander, he makes decent choices with the ball but won't blow you away and win with his own ability. He does not have the potential to lift a team on his own. While insert cam and auburn is a national champion. Gabbert is the more pro ready and safer pick but, this is chess not checkers when drafting at 1 your in it for the long term.

I have not said this. I said I do not see how Gabbert's upside is significantly less. I know Newton has upside, I wouldn't be upset if we took him, I just don't want any QB and I prefer Gabbert if we decide to go QB.

It is arguable if Gabbert will be able to lift a team on his own in the pros. Players who did this in college can't always do it in the pros and players in the pros sometimes do it despite not doing it in college. The games are so very different that it can be difficult to be sure of how that kind of thing will translate.

Very, very few players can lift their teams on their own consistently, and I'm sorry to say but I just am no more convinced Newton can than I am sure Gabbert can. Even Big Ben plays on a team that went 3-1 without him. Josh Freeman in college really didn't life his team on his own and his stats were... kinda questionable too, yet he is coming off a great season as arguably the single biggest reason why that team improved. Arguably. ;)

[mav1234]

How you feel about Cams upside is probably linked to how much damage you believe he can do outside the pocket. If you think he is just going to get killed and won't run you are probably right. If you think he is uniquely qualified bc of his size to make big plays with his legs than you really love his upside.

To me his upside is a big ben mike vick hybrid. Gabbert at best IMO is a matt ryan.

A Matt Ryan? Gabbert is a MUCH better athlete than Ryan... but I see why you're making that comparison. Gabbert is bigger and faster than Ryan, but his ultimate game will likely be similar.

Gabbert will not be confined to the pocket (he wasn't in college)... His legs will be his way of extending plays and he'll use them to pick up some yards on the ground when everybody is covered down field.

I just can't see Newton as a "Vick" anything hybrid. He just isn't as quick as Vick and he isn't going to want to be trying to run people over very often =| Just like Young, he'll make plays with his legs, I just... am not sure how big they will ultimately be.

[CRA]

A Matt Ryan? Gabbert is a MUCH better athlete than Ryan... but I see why you're making that comparison. Gabbert is bigger and faster than Ryan, but his ultimate game will likely be similar.

Gabbert will not be confined to the pocket (he wasn't in college)... His legs will be his way of extending plays and he'll use them to pick up some yards on the ground when everybody is covered down field.

I just can't see Newton as a "Vick" anything hybrid. He just isn't as quick as Vick and he isn't going to want to be trying to run people over very often =| Just like Young, he'll make plays with his legs, I just... am not sure how big they will ultimately be.

I don't see that either.....Gabbert scares me to death. Ryan was asked to be a completely different QB in college than Gabbert.

[micnificent28]

how do Gabbert and Sanchez have similar styles?

Not so much from a size stand point. But they both are cut from the same cloth. Decent QBs in college, the product of the media as having all the tools. Both having huge jumps into the top of the draft.Both has simlar prodays, similar arm strength. Neither is going to go out and win with there arm night in and night.

They are great when they play within there skillset. Know there limitation, basically Game managers. If you Look at Gabberts production last season minus danrio alexander, he didn't wow you with his ability to win on his own . Both are good on the move,sanchez even better than you might imagine.

But neither will win without having great peices in place. You need a strong running game to take the pressure off because both preform similar under pressure.

[Ricky Spanish]

the only reason Cam has so much "upside" is because he is a freak of nature athlete. The big question with him, as it has been with other freak of nature athletes before him:

Can he put it all together and be a great QB? Almost all freak of nature athlete QB's before him have failed, what makes Cam so special that he won't? That is my big question with him and why I am so hesitant to hop on the Cam Wagon. His past has left red flags of doubt that he can achieve the greatness that so many before him were suppose to achieve.

having said all that, I'd rather we take him and swing and miss than let another beast of a franchise QB fly past us and go on to success with other teams like has happened so many times before.

[blackcatgrowl]

I have not said this. I said I do not see how Gabbert's upside is significantly less. I know Newton has upside, I wouldn't be upset if we took him, I just don't want any QB and I prefer Gabbert if we decide to go QB.

It is arguable if Gabbert will be able to lift a team on his own in the pros. Players who did this in college can't always do it in the pros and players in the pros sometimes do it despite not doing it in college. The games are so very different that it can be difficult to be sure of how that kind of thing will translate.

Very, very few players can lift their teams on their own consistently, and I'm sorry to say but I just am no more convinced Newton can than I am sure Gabbert can. Even Big Ben plays on a team that went 3-1 without him. Josh Freeman in college really didn't life his team on his own and his stats were... kinda questionable too, yet he is coming off a great season as arguably the single biggest reason why that team improved. Arguably. ;)

Gabbert comes with all the supposed "concerns" Newton does (you know footwork... accuracy... played in a spread)

Except he has a weaker arm.

But somehow he's more convincing of a pick?

This is why I label you Anti-Cam. Actually, "anything-but-cam" would be more appropriate.

[micnificent28]

I have not said this. I said I do not see how Gabbert's upside is significantly less. I know Newton has upside, I wouldn't be upset if we took him, I just don't want any QB and I prefer Gabbert if we decide to go QB.

It is arguable if Gabbert will be able to lift a team on his own in the pros. Players who did this in college can't always do it in the pros and players in the pros sometimes do it despite not doing it in college. The games are so very different that it can be difficult to be sure of how that kind of thing will translate.

Very, very few players can lift their teams on their own consistently, and I'm sorry to say but I just am no more convinced Newton can than I am sure Gabbert can. Even Big Ben plays on a team that went 3-1 without him. Josh Freeman in college really didn't life his team on his own and his stats were... kinda questionable too, yet he is coming off a great season as arguably the single biggest reason why that team improved. Arguably. ;)

By saying gabbert and cam have nearly the same upside states you can't see the forrest for the trees with cam. There upside is massively diffrent. while cams floor is lower.

[CRA]

Not so much from a size stand point. But they both are cut from the same cloth. Decent QBs in college, the product of the media as having all the tools. Both having huge jumps into the top of the draft.Both has simlar prodays, similar arm strength. Neither is going to go out and win with there arm night in and night.

They are great when they play within there skillset. Know there limitation, basically Game managers. If you Look at Gabberts production last season minus danrio alexander, he didn't wow you with his ability to win on his own . Both are good on the move,sanchez even better than you might imagine.

But neither will win without having great peices in place. You need a strong running game to take the pressure off because both preform similar under pressure.

The manner in which they play the position and what was asked is nothing alike though.

personally, I don't think Sanchez is a game manager. I never considered Delhomme one either. I consider them gunslingers/gamblers you try to control/limit.

[micnificent28]

the only reason Cam has so much "upside" is because he is a freak of nature athlete. The big question with him, as it has been with other freak of nature athletes before him:

Can he put it all together and be a great QB? Almost all freak of nature athlete QB's before him have failed, what makes Cam so special that he won't? That is my big question with him and why I am so hesitant to hop on the Cam Wagon. His past has left red flags of doubt that he can achieve the greatness that so many before him were suppose to achieve.

having said all that, I'd rather we take him and swing and miss than let another beast of a franchise QB fly past us and go on to success with other teams like has happened so many times before.

I agree 100%. I don't know that he will live up to his huge upside. But for once it'd be nice to have that "freak" of nature on our side. If we swing and strikeout so be it.

[Verge]

Cam is a less skilled Big Ben (in regards to footwork and accuracy) with around the same character issues and at worst he is Jamarcus Russell.

Blaine is a mobile Matt Ryan or at worst a mobile Kyle Orton.

Comparing Gabbert to Sanchez is just odd.

[Brooklyn Bully]

The most important thing from the article is this...

the old Carolina rule of thumb

The Panthers will never be great until we get away from THAT.

[CRA]

Cam is a less skilled Big Ben (in regards to footwork and accuracy) with around the same character issues and at worst he is Jamarcus Russell.

Blaine is a mobile Matt Ryan or at worst a mobile Kyle Orton.

Comparing Gabbert to Sanchez is just odd.

So Big Ben being a possible (repeat)rapist = buying a stolen laptop (at 18) or violating a NCCA rule?

[Sword]

I think the Panthers are still in the Newton discussion is because the last time they decided to go on freakish talent at the top of round one it was Julius Peppers. This time however the player is a QB, and seems to be much more willing to bear the team on his shoulders then Peppers was.

Personally I'd rather be saying we took a shot at making Cam Newton great and failed, then watching him play on some other team being great and thinking what we missed.