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Racism Quiz

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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Darth Urious Newbie

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scot, what point are you trying to make?

I'm not trying to speak for him, but...

If there is no clear racial bias in the assessments offered up in the quiz, then why should this writer be labeled racist for his words about Newton?

Is it so unfathomable to think that a writer can have genuine feelings about a subject that are blind to the color of their skin?

I don't think Mr. Scot is trying to say racism doesn't exist... I think he's trying to say that not everyone that dislikes Newton for various reasons is driven to those conclusions based on him being black...

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MHS831 Grand Master

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Scot, I really don't want to argue with you anymore but this quiz totally misses the point of racial bias. Having racial bias doesn't mean one side is immune from the same criticisms. It means one side is more susceptible to be being labeled a certain way or has a harder time freeing themsleves of certain burdens because of preconceived notions.

What it does not mean is that one side is the only one burdened with a certain critique. Just they fall prey to certain stereotypes that lend themselves to being critiqued on certain things more often and with less evidence that the critique is necessary or valid.

However, assuming there is racial bias without proof or specific reason is in itself a form of bias. Since you know the QB (Cam) was black, did you jump to assume any criticism was racially motivated? That is probably the most logical assumption, and this is all about assumption.

Scot is simply turning the tables. Making you point out CONCRETE REASONS for the accusation. If you cannot identify what drove you to your assumption, the perhaps the bias is yours, and nobody else's.

Dismissing this process without seeing its point is another form of narrow-mindedness that must first be in place in order to accuse others of narrow-mindedness without proof.

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Proudiddy Grand Master

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I'm not trying to speak for him, but...

If there is no clear racial bias in the assessments offered up in the quiz, then why should this writer be labeled racist for his words about Newton?

Is it so unfathomable to think that a writer can have genuine feelings about a subject that are blind to the color of their skin?

I don't think Mr. Scot is trying to say racism doesn't exist... I think he's trying to say that not everyone that dislikes Newton for various reasons is driven to those conclusions based on him being black...

But this "QUIZ" in itself is misleading... That's the problem. So we made a whole thread about whether ONE REPORTER is racist or not? LOL

Welp, that solves it, he's not, so I guess all the other ones are fair and unbiased too!

And it also still doesn't prove whether Naworski (sp?) is racist or not... Additionally, Warren Moon was talking about the media as a whole, so this accomplishes nothing to refute that.

Poor logic. Waste of a thread.

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Proudiddy Grand Master

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Hell, it is better than most of the broken record threads that are in this section... lol...

I just wish the draft would hurry up and get here so that we could all move on...

I respectfully disagree on the first point, it IS a "broken record" thread, because it does nothing to refute that there ARE racial biases perpetuated by the media regarding all races.

I don't think I've ever seen someone give so much effort to claim that racism isn't a factor in society or media in my life. It's still there, even if you swept it under your rug and decided to pretend it's not there... It is. That's all Moon was saying.

On the second point - I couldn't agree more. Once the pick is made, people are going to have to deal with whoever it is and shape up, shut up, or ship out. :lol:

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I think when people cry racism it's because they feel weak and it's a bitch made excuse. I hate most people on the planet, some happen to be black, mexican, white, asian, etc, I'm an equal opportunity hater.

I don't think most people want to give up playing the race card because it's an easy excuse for them and the miserable lives they've created for themselves. There are plenty of people who have come from bad situations in life, of all colors and ethnicities, to make something of themselves. Man up and take some responsibility for yourself. This goes both ways.

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I respectfully disagree on the first point, it IS a "broken record" thread, because it does nothing to refute that there IS racial biases perpetuated by the media regarding all races.

I don't think I've ever seen someone give so much effort to claim that racism isn't a factor in society or media in my life. It's still there, even if you swept it under your rug and decided to pretend it's not there... It is. That's all Moon was saying.

On the second point - I couldn't agree more. Once the pick is made, people are going to have to deal with whoever it is and shape up, shut up, or ship out. :lol:

Again, I'm the first to admit racial bias has a major part in all aspects of society... not just football...

I meant broken records as in all the Cam threads, Clausen bashing threads, and What if? threads...

The offseason is boring, so people have to regurgitate ideas hoping they come up different than they did... failing to realize that they always end up the same way... as vomit...

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Proudiddy Grand Master

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I think when people cry racism it's because they feel weak and it's a bitch made excuse. I hate most people on the planet, some happen to be black, mexican, white, asian, etc, I'm an equal opportunity hater.

I don't think most people want to give up playing the race card because it's an easy excuse for them and the miserable lives they've created for themselves. There are plenty of people who have come from bad situations in life, of all colors and ethnicities, to make something of themselves. Man up and take some responsibility for yourself. This goes both ways.

Generally I agree about playing the race card, but not in every instance. Anything with race should be handled with care and respect. And this is an exception to the "race card" rule - Warren Moon is saying it.

I mentioned in the other thread, you know the one that didn't need a whole other thread to refute it but someone didn't want to discuss their opinion in that one so they made another meaningless thread... I digress... but, I mentioned in that thread that in all my years watching Warren Moon from a child in the late 80s and early 90s, I never saw or heard Moon make excuses as to why he didn't get a chance coming out of college.

Sure, he's addressed it, but he's never flew that flag of being a victim. He understood it for what it was, went to the CFL and worked his way to the position he got to and became a hall of famer - he never used it as an excuse. So for him to say that racism is a factor in how Cam is being portrayed in the media - that gives me pause and give it some credence. The guy never used the race card for himself and allowed himself to become a victim or a failure. So why would he play it for someone else?

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