Racism Quiz

[Mr. Scot]

No names. I cant even name 14 Qbs in the draft last year

They're not all last year. In fact, only a very few are. I went back as far as 2007.

(I'm a PFW subscriber)

[teeray]

Scot, I really don't want to argue with you anymore but this quiz totally misses the point of racial bias. Having racial bias doesn't mean one side is immune from the same criticisms. It means one side is more susceptible to be being labeled a certain way or has a harder time freeing themsleves of certain burdens because of preconceived notions.

What it does not mean is that one side is the only one burdened with a certain critique. Just they fall prey to certain stereotypes that lend themselves to being critiqued on certain things more often and with less evidence that the critique is necessary or valid.

[Mr. Scot]

Scot, I really don't want to argue with you anymore but this quiz totally misses the point of racial bias. Having racial bias doesn't mean one side is immune from the same criticisms. It means one side is more susceptible to be being labeled a certain way or has a harder time freeing themsleves of certain burdens because of preconceived notions.

What it does not mean is that one side is the only one burdened with a certain critique. Just they fall prey to certain stereotypes that lend themselves to being critiqued on certain things more often and with less evidence that the critique is necessary or valid.

Well again, if what you're saying is true, you should be able to pick out the ones who are black by their "stereotypes" right?

Of course, you're not going to try, are you? :lol:

[top dawg]

Ah, but Warren Moon says there's racism behind Nawrocki's evaluation of Newton, remember? And some of our own have chimed in that it's true.

If that's so, then it should be easy to pick out who's who in these reviews, right? :D

Warren Moon was a respected QB in the league during his day, and is pobably still a very well respected voice in his community. But, ultimately, he is still just another black guy with an opinion. I respect his opinion, and perhaps there is some hint of truth to what he is saying, but I would like to think that Cam is being mostly judged by what he has (or has not) done, regardless of his skin color. I would like to think that. But, just like I say in a piece I am working on at the moment, "racism and racial discrimination can easily thrive right under our noses because it is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to ascribe racism to a person's actions when they use race as a means to justify their discrimination against a person in their personal, political, and business decisions." I continue by saying that for race relations to make any appreciable strides towards improvement, it has to come from "within the minds and hearts of people---the very place where racism has a home and can't be judged by those on the outside looking in, with certain accuracy."

So, basically, what I am saying is that it is diffcult (if not impossible) to judge Nawrocki's, or anyone else's true motives when it comes to racism. But, just pecause we can't prove it does not mean it isn't there, or that it is there. At many times all we can go on is history, stats, anecdotal evidence, and sometimes just a plain old gut feeling. Perhaps you are correct in your assertions regarding Nawrocki, Moon, and anyone else, but I don't believe that this is the forum to discuss such matters, even though Moon may have indirectly opened the door (or, in this case, the can of worms). In my estimation, this thread just provides more kindling for a fire of misunderstanding and cyclical arguments that will do nothing but make a mockery of more serious racial concerns. That;s why I, as an intelligent black man, don't go around labeling everything as an act of racism (even though racism may be an underlying motivation for any act of discrimination).

[Mr. Scot]

So far, only one brave soul with the guts to actually take the quiz. The rest beg off but say "I'm still right anyway" without having the cojones to put it to the test.

Color me amused :rofl:

[Mr. Scot]

Warren Moon was a respected QB in the league during his day, and is pobably still a very well respected voice in his community. But, ultimately, he is still just another black guy with an opinion. I respect his opinion, and perhaps there is some hint of truth to what he is saying, but I would like to think that Cam is being mostly judged by what he has (or has not) done, regardless of his skin color. I would like to think that. But, just like I say in a piece I am working on at the moment, "racism and racial discrimination can easily thrive right under our noses because it is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to ascribe racism to a person's actions when they use race as a means to justify their discrimination against a person in their personal, political, and business decisions." I continue by saying that for race relations to make any appreciable strides towards improvement, it has to come from "within the minds and hearts of people---the very place where racism has a home and can't be judged by those on the outside looking in, with certain accuracy."

So, basically, what I am saying is that it is diffcult (if not impossible) to judge Nawrocki's, or anyone elses true motives when it comes to racism. But, just pecause we can't prove it does not mean it isn't there, or that it is there. At many times all we can go on is history, stats, anecdotal evidence, and sometimes just a plain old gut feeling. Perhaps you are correct in your assertions regarding Nawrocki, Moon, and anyone else, but I don't believe that this is the forum to discuss such matters, even though Moon may have indirectly opened the door (or, in this case, the can of worms). In my estimation, this thread just provides more kindling for a fire of misunderstanding and cyclical arguments that will do nothing but make a mockery of more serious racial concerns. That;s why I, as an intelligent black man, don't go around labeling everything as an act of racism (even though racism may be an underlying motivation for any act of discrimination).

Sorry, but what Moon is doing is just playing the race card, pure and simple. And given that he's got a vested interest as part of Team Newton, not surprising.

I haven't seen anyone questioning similar criticisms made of quarterbacks before. And there have been plenty of them.

Objectively speaking, Newton has some incidents in his past that even a guy like Clausen doesn't, but Clausen got ripped the same way. So why is it that when similar criticisms have been directed at guys in the past, nobody jumped on it? But all of a sudden when it's Newton "OMG IT MUST BE RACIST".

Moon is a guy I've admired for a long time, but this is pathetic :nonod:

[teeray]

Well again, if what you're saying is true, you should be able to pick out the ones who are black by their "stereotypes" right?

Of course, you're not going to try, are you? :lol:

Are you fugging serious?? Can you not read?? Analysis isn't the issue it is if people are held to the same standard. Pulling random sh#t off the internet proves nothing but your complete misunderstanding of what racial bias is.

It is a neat excercise but it is absolutely useless in what you are trying to achieve.

[top dawg]

Well, Scottie, perhaps Moon is playing the race card, but if you want to now the truth, the race card has been played by many whites for years, and the damned deck has been stacked in their favor. I really didn't want to go there, but the Devil made me do it.

We should all strive to leave race out of this, inasmuch as it skirts serious racial problems and disparities that still exist within this country.

The reason why people like myself are reluctant to take your little quiz is because it is counterproductive to the real discussion.

[Mr. Scot]

Well, Scottie, perhaps Moon is playing the race card, but if you want to now the truth, the race card has been played by many whites for years, and the damned deck has been stacked in their favor. I really didn't want to go there, but the Devil made me do it.

We should all strive to leave race out of this, inasmuch as it skirts serious racial problems and disparities that still exist within this country.

The reason why people like myself are reluctant to take our little quiz is because it is counterproductive to the real discussion.

Oooohhh, I don't think so. In fact, I'd say it's quite educational :D

See, we've had a "race card" played here. Moon has accused Nawrocki of being racist. Some of our own posters here have agreed that he is.

Hence, the purpose of this test is to prove whether or not they can back up their claims by reading Nawrocki's work.

You'll notice that pretty much all the people crying "racism" are afraid to even try the quiz.

So tell me again, why should I take their charges that what Nawrocki has said has some racial element to it seriously? :sosp:

[top dawg]

Oooohhh, I don't think so. In fact, I'd say it's quite educational :D

See, we've had a "race card" played here. Moon has accused Nawrocki of being racist. Some of our own posters here have agreed that he is.

Hence, the purpose of this test is to prove whether or not they can back up their claims by reading Nawrocki's work.

You'll notice that pretty much all the people crying "racism" are afraid to even try the quiz.

So tell me again, why should I take their charges that what Nawrocki has said has some racial element to it seriously? :sosp:

You don't have to take it seriously at all. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But, it is pretty much well documented that more than a few whites have pidgeon-holed black athletes into certain roles for decades, and black QBs perhaps moreso. Even from the days of Jimmy The Greek to Rush Limbaugh, to now, many whites have let slip some of their beliefs regarding black athletes. You know the stereotypes, Don't try and feign ignorance.

Just like you may get tired of people like Moon "playing the race card", don't you think I get tired of people comparing Newton to every black QB that has played the game (and especially the ones who are considered unsuccessful in their quest to lead, or those with character flaws, like no white QB has ever had character flaws or concerns coming out of college)? YOU may be oblivious to the racial element, but that doesn't mean everyone is. We all see things from our own perspective, and most of us aren't smart enough to even attempt to take a look from the other side of the tracks.

Like I said in the other post, I am not familiar with Nawrocki's writing, but, more importantly, I don't know him as a man. He could be Jim Crow or Jimmy Carter, but the fact is, that he is a guy who probably falls somewhere in the middle, just like Cam Newton. The fact is, is that he is an American that unfortunatley probably brings a certain amount of ignorance, ambivalence, and/or apathy when it comes to racial matters, racial sensitivity and racial understanding in this country (probably just like Newton). The thing is, is that he should be more experienced, seasoned and mature than the kid he arguably tried to assasinate in his piece (notwithstanding what he said in as far as it relates to Newton's actual potential on the football field).

I find it quite ironic that you feel the need to come to the support of Nawrocki---a grown ass, man who should have learned a few things over the years, but fail to see why people feel the need to come to the support of Newton--a kid who is still trying to figure it all out.

[Mr. Scot]

You don't have to take it seriously at all. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But, it is pretty much well documented that more than a few whites have pidgeon-holed black athletes into certain roles for decades, and black QBs perhaps moreso. Even from the days of Jimmy The Greek to Rush Limbaugh, to now, many whites have let slip some of their beliefs regarding black athletes. You know the stereotypes, Don't try and feign ignorance.

Just like you may get tired of people like Moon "playing the race card", don't you think I get tired of people comparing comparing Newton to every black QB that has played the game (and especially the ones who are considered unsuccessful in their quest to lead, or those with character flaws, like no white QB has ever had character flaws or concerns coming out of college)? YOU may be oblivious to the racial element, but that doesn't mean everyone is. We all see things from our own perspective, and most of us aren't smart enough to even attempt to take a look from the other side of the tracks.

Like I said in the other post, I am not familiar with Nawrocki's writing, but, more importantly, I don't know him as a man. He could be Jim Crow or Jimmy Carter, but the fact is, that he is a guy who probably falls somewhere in the middle, just like Cam Newton. The fact is, is that he is an American that unfortunatley probably brings a certain amount of ignorance, ambivalence, and/or apathy when it comes to racial matters, racial sensitivity and racial understanding in this country (probably just like Newton). The thing is, is that he should be more experienced, seasoned and mature than the kid he arguably tried to assasinate in his piece (notwithstanding what he said in as far as it relates to Newton's actual potential on the football field).

I find it quite ironic that you feel the need to come to the support of Nawrocki---a grown ass, man who should have learned a few things over the years, but fail to see why people feel the need to come to the support of Newton--a kid who is still trying to figure it all out.

When all is said and done, which of the two do you think is going to have the bigger bank account, Newton or Nawrocki?

Tell me why I should feel sorry for Newton again?

Nawrocki doesn't need me to defend him. Now, if I were in his place, I'd call Moon out on his comments and challenge him to back them up, same as what I've done with guys here. And to be clear, it is people here I'm talking to, as much for my own amusement as anything else.

See, even within this post, you tell me you've never read anything Nawrocki's written, but then you go on to make assumptions that he "probably brings a certain amount of ignorance, ambivalence, and/or apathy when it comes to racial matters, racial sensitivity and racial understanding in this country". Guess what? That is a statement of prejudice, the very thing which you're trying to tell me you're against.

"I don't know him, and I've never read what he's written before, but this is what I know about him anyway."

See? It goes both ways.

Basically, you guys are proving my point for me.

[chef17]

Can we just agree everyone is partly right and be done with it. Yes black QBs are judged differently. However Scot is right, this did suddenly become a big issue when Newton gets bashed. White QBs get the same questions but no one brings it up. Teeray black QBs probably do get their intelligence questioned. However, in America there is a stereotype that blacks are less intelligent so it really isn't surprising that more of them get questions regarding it.

Now let's see how I do on the quiz :D

Edit BTW who gives a flip? People questioning a QBs intelligence won't have anything to do with what he does in the NFL. This whole argument is stupid.

[Mr. Scot]

Can we just agree everyone is partly right and be done with it. Yes black QBs are judged differently. However Scot is right, this did suddenly become a big issue when Newton gets bashed. White QBs get the same questions but no one brings it up. Teeray black QBs probably do get their intelligence questioned. However, in America there is a stereotype that blacks are less intelligent so it really isn't surprising that more of them get questions regarding it.

Now let's see how I do on the quiz :D

Edit BTW who gives a flip? People questioning a QBs intelligence won't have anything to do with what he does in the NFL. This whole argument is stupid.

Believe me, I'll question every QBs intelligence, and that's as it should be.

You want to play quarterback for my team? Your brain better be top-notch, whatever color you are.

In my life, I've known black scholars and white morons, and vice-versa. Never found any correlation between the two. Nor do I expect to anytime soon.

[chef17]

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