Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder under center

[TheRealDeal]

4. exactly. with cam newton you have to pick your poison. you going to either sit back and give him running yards and open up the run game for RBs or you're gonna have to bring defenders up and allow the reciever to get pass you. now if you watch those videos you will see this first hand.

:lol:

Oh man, you really don't understand the game do you? You really think it's that simple?

[ncmonzta]

:lol:

Oh man, you really don't understand the game do you? You really think it's that simple?

It seems you don't know the game. What you and Urry are saying that. Defenses can go zone and make him read and have to throw into coverage. You said yourself you didn't watch but half of one video. In those videos he makes swing throws, deep throws, middle of the field throws and every other throw. Then you say "its a highlight tape" well what the hell do want to his lowlight tape. I can show you tape of Manning and Brady making bad throws, what is that going to prove? The purpose of these videos is to show what they can do. You're so fuging slow it's starting not even be funny anymore. Little brother, if defenses sit back in whatever coverage and Cam fakes a run then someone will come up right and that leaves someone open( not rocket science). Then you have to consider the situation the QB will be in. If he plays for the Panthers he'll have the best RB duo in the league. What the does is forces the defense to keep defenders in the box (against the Panthers). You can't sit back in coverage and just let us run all over you. Now if a defense wants make sure they shut Cam down and they force him to throw they're are letting use our running game. If They want shut down the running game including Cam they can't sit back in coverage. With Cam in our offense you're not going to shut down the passing game and running game that's my point.

[Ricky Spanish]

It seems you don't know the game. What you and Urry are saying that. Defenses can go zone and make him read and have to throw into coverage. You said yourself you didn't watch but half of one video. In those videos he makes swing throws, deep throws, middle of the field throws and every other throw. Then you say "its a highlight tape" well what the hell do want to his lowlight tape. I can show you tape of Manning and Brady making bad throws, what is that going to prove? The purpose of these videos is to show what they can do. You're so fuging slow it's starting not even be funny anymore. Little brother, if defenses sit back in whatever coverage and Cam fakes a run then someone will come up right and that leaves someone open( not rocket science). Then you have to consider the situation the QB will be in. If he plays for the Panthers he'll have the best RB duo in the league. What the does is forces the defense to keep defenders in the box (against the Panthers). You can't sit back in coverage and just let us run all over you. Now if a defense wants make sure they shut Cam down and they force him to throw they're are letting use our running game. If They want shut down the running game including Cam they can't sit back in coverage. With Cam in our offense you're not going to shut down the passing game and running game that's my point.

you are jumping to the assumption that Cam will be able to run like he did in college when he gets to the pros. That simply does not happen. the NFL is the cream of the crop on defense. cam may run a 4.59 40, but he's going against LBers and DE's that run sub 4.5's. He simply won't be able to get away with the kinds of things he did in college. teams will force him to throw, and expose his weaknesses in his passing game. I do not have the faith that many seem to in his passing game, but that's just me.

[TheRealDeal]

:lol: So I went from your son to your little brother? What kind of incestuous poo are you doing wherever you are?

Anyway, by "sitting back in coverage" that just means rushing four guys.

Cam is most successful when he only has 5 guys in coverage and is rushed by 5 or more. If you rush 4, have your LBs read run first then drop into coverage (like every LB in the NFL, college, HS, and pop warner already does), you make Cameron make reads which he hasn't shown an ability to do.

In that scenario, if the ball is handed off to one of our RBs, everyone then runs forward on the defense and tries to make a tackle. If Cameron drops back and then starts to run, he'll likely be caught by either one of our ends or the interior linemen because he isn't very quick and is a very slow starter when running (The uncool Mathews brother caught him from behind). If not, everyone will rally up once he crosses the LOS and make the tackle. Sure he may get some yards here and there, but if he runs that much he will end up broken and on the bench.

You need to be able to beat NFL defenses from inside the pocket in the NFL, and the sweet YouTube video shows that he cannot read basic zone coverages and threw into traffic a ton, leading to what would be picks in the NFL.

Your rebuttal is not necessary as it will not make sense anyway.

But Teh Camz can run for like a million yardz!1one!!!

[monstercat]

you are jumping to the assumption that Cam will be able to run like he did in college the way he does in the pros. That simply does not happen. the NFL is the cream of the crop on defense. cam may run a 4.59 40, but he's going against LBers and DE's that run sub 4.5's. He simply won't be able to get away with the kinds of things he did in college. teams will force him to throw, and expose his weaknesses in his passing game.

Why do people keep saying this? Did NFL defenses keep Vick, Slash, Cunningham, Rodgers, Culpepper, or Freeman...etc from running when they needed to? If everything else is equal, the offensive player still has the advantage because the defensive player has to react to what he does, which puts him a half a step behind. To say that it's impossible for Cam Newton to run in the NFL is ludicrous. Some of you are acting as if Cam Newton is the first athletic QB in the history of the game who had to play in college before he played in the pros. Many have made this adjustment before Newton, and he will adjust too.

[TheRealDeal]

Slash????????????????????????

Holy *** Slash???????????????????

Did you seriously do that?

NO fuking way!

[monstercat]

Slash????????????????????????

Holy *** Slash???????????????????

Did you seriously do that?

NO fuking way!

The guy made plays with his arm and legs, believe it or not, even though he once had to do it in college first. It's an amazing concept that's hard to wrap your mind around, I know.

[ncmonzta]

you are jumping to the assumption that Cam will be able to run like he did in college when he gets to the pros. That simply does not happen. the NFL is the cream of the crop on defense. cam may run a 4.59 40, but he's going against LBers and DE's that run sub 4.5's. He simply won't be able to get away with the kinds of things he did in college. teams will force him to throw, and expose his weaknesses in his passing game. I do not have the faith that many seem to in his passing game, but that's just me.

I going with the assumption that if defenses are sitting watching Cam maybe one of our weapons should have enought talent to get open. Cam isnt going to be in college I get that already. Someone explain how Vick,Freeman,Rodgers, and Ben are able to run against NFL defenses but not Cam. I don't want to hear he can't throw, becuase he did he have 30td and not one of them was a under handed toss.

[ncmonzta]

:lol: So I went from your son to your little brother? What kind of incestuous poo are you doing wherever you are?

Anyway, by "sitting back in coverage" that just means rushing four guys.

Cam is most successful when he only has 5 guys in coverage and is rushed by 5 or more. If you rush 4, have your LBs read run first then drop into coverage (like every LB in the NFL, college, HS, and pop warner already does), you make Cameron make reads which he hasn't shown an ability to do.

In that scenario, if the ball is handed off to one of our RBs, everyone then runs forward on the defense and tries to make a tackle. If Cameron drops back and then starts to run, he'll likely be caught by either one of our ends or the interior linemen because he isn't very quick and is a very slow starter when running (The uncool Mathews brother caught him from behind). If not, everyone will rally up once he crosses the LOS and make the tackle. Sure he may get some yards here and there, but if he runs that much he will end up broken and on the bench.

You need to be able to beat NFL defenses from inside the pocket in the NFL, and the sweet YouTube video shows that he cannot read basic zone coverages and threw into traffic a ton, leading to what would be picks in the NFL.

Your rebuttal is not necessary as I wrote all this and never make sense anyway.

But Camz can run just like any other mobile QB in the league!1one!!!

fixed.;)

[Jerry]

Gabbert is far and away the better QB. BUT

We would be better off taking an all-pro stud on defense.

This draft is loaded with them. If we do have to get a QB

(dumb move I'd wait til 2012). Then I'd get Gabbert he is more

dialed in to play in the NFL then Newton is.

[TheRealDeal]

I going with the assumption that if defenses are sitting watching Cam maybe one of our weapons should have enought talent to get open. Cam isnt going to be in college I get that already. Someone explain how Vick,Freeman,Rodgers, and Ben are able to run against NFL defenses but not Cam. I don't want to hear he can't throw, becuase he did he have 30td and not one of them was a under handed toss.

All of those guys had to first learn to throw from the pocket to be successful with their legs, and they aren't known as world beaters with their legs, just Vick. You have to be able to read zone coverages and make the necessary throws, and Cam hasn't shown an ability to do that.

Those guys don't drop back and say "Oh look, the LB dropped into coverage, I'm going to run now!" They try and read the coverage to make the necessary throw for success and if it's not there they buy some time and still read the defense and if they have to they run. None of that describes Cam except for the sarcastic quote.

You make it sound like guys are going to stand there and stare at Cam and ignore everything else going on around him? That just doesn't happen.

How many of Cam's TDs have come against zones? How many came from YAC yards with his receivers making great run after catch? How many were streaks?

I thought so.

You really just don't get it. I'm done wasting my time

[Urrymonster]

Ummm, try listening to those youtube videos. Notice how often his completions are screamed as 'WIDE OPEN'.

He possibly had 5-6 throws to the middle of the field that were pretty good throws, the rest were poorly thrown, misread or just downright dangerous throws. I stand by the fact that his deep ball was all he had, and that was down to the defences not being as focused on them. Notice how many of these plays came on play action plays...

His running will likely be as effective as Young's was. Good enough to beat the odd team here and there, but ultimately not good enough that it forces teams to completely change the way they play him. Vick is and was a MUCH more athletic QB and a much better runner.

[panthers55]

Gabbert is far and away the better QB. BUT

We would be better off taking an all-pro stud on defense.

This draft is loaded with them. If we do have to get a QB

(dumb move I'd wait til 2012). Then I'd get Gabbert he is more

dialed in to play in the NFL then Newton is.

Gabbert isn't the best quarterback in regards to results. He reminds me of a combine warrior. He looks great when he is playing pitch and catch with receivers on his pro day. But during the season against middling competition he was not that great. Under pressure he was terrible. He completed around 30% of his passes over 15 yards. Tell me how they translates to a vertical passing attack.

[panthers55]

Ummm, try listening to those youtube videos. Notice how often his completions are screamed as 'WIDE OPEN'.

He possibly had 5-6 throws to the middle of the field that were pretty good throws, the rest were poorly thrown, misread or just downright dangerous throws. I stand by the fact that his deep ball was all he had, and that was down to the defences not being as focused on them. Notice how many of these plays came on play action plays...

His running will likely be as effective as Young's was. Good enough to beat the odd team here and there, but ultimately not good enough that it forces teams to completely change the way they play him. Vick is and was a MUCH more athletic QB and a much better runner.

People seem to forget that in his 4 year career Young was a 2 time probowler and twice came in and went on winning streaks of 6 or more games. He fought with the head coach and was psychologically fragile. By all accounts Newton is definitely not. If Newton can come in and play like Young without being nuts, he would be a huge pickup for us.