Tebow>Newton?

[CRA]

i agree with everything in this post Scot except the highlighted. there is no evidence that any system you played in college determines more or less success in the NFL than another. just look at last season. the one guy who had the most trouble adjusting to the NFL came from a pro style offense.

and for those still trying to compare newton to The Golden Calf of Bristol, i can make a very compelling argument that he was the most effective rookie qb last year in his 3 starts

I would agree, you could make that arguement.....the most non ready QB probably looked the best in his brief work.

[micnificent28]

Seems the op is is implying that all running quarterbacks are the same. When in fact The Golden Calf of Bristol as some have said his running style is more like a full back. While Cam has this aspect it isnt his only means of running. Speed translates better to the nfl than just brute strength,something cam has that The Golden Calf of Bristol doesnt. The fact that The Golden Calf of Bristol had already been entrenched as the starter before cam arrived doesn't mean he's better.

If it's not broke on't fix it. so if The Golden Calf of Bristol had already won a hiesman and championship why take him out for an untested cam? No one would have unseated The Golden Calf of Bristol. That said cam IS a once and a life time talent. The Golden Calf of Bristol is big but cam is huge. The Golden Calf of Bristol can run but cam can glide. The Golden Calf of Bristol can throw but cam would almost surely have a top 15 arm in the NFL.

The Golden Calf of Bristol has more heart than cam? I guess you can argue that but i think they lead in diffrent ways. Cam is just as much a winner a The Golden Calf of Bristol but, i think because The Golden Calf of Bristol is the cleaner of the two he seems more trust worthy. The Golden Calf of Bristol is the role model you want your kids to look up to and cam is just average. If you value character over all else i guess The Golden Calf of Bristol is the better pick.

As far as upside there is no comparing the two. The Golden Calf of Bristol has great upside and looks to be living up to it. As Jim Harbaugh has said Cam is raw but Plutonium level material. If you can harness that power you might have a top 5 QB in the NFL. maybe something more..his potential is limitless, I haven't heard those words since Mike Vick was selected number one.

In all case vick looks to be living up to his billing and The Golden Calf of Bristol looks promising,so why not role the dice. If you have similar results you can easily say he is worth the pick.

[Mr. Scot]

i agree with everything in this post Scot except the highlighted. there is no evidence that any system you played in college determines more or less success in the NFL than another. just look at last season. the one guy who had the most trouble adjusting to the NFL came from a pro style offense.

Didn't say it did. Coming from a pro-style offense isn't a predictor of success, but it does make the transition simpler.

and for those still trying to compare newton to The Golden Calf of Bristol, i can make a very compelling argument that he was the most effective rookie qb last year in his 3 starts

That'd be a pretty big stretch.

[MHS831]

I would take Big Ben any day of the week. He ain't the brightest QB on the block. He also isn't a traditional pocket passer.

Do you really think Cam Newton is Big Ben? Is an exception to the rule as an example of what could happen worth the gamble?

No is the correct answer to both questions. lets move on.

[Mr. Scot]

I wouldn't take Roethlisberger at gunpoint.

[CRA]

Do you really think Cam Newton is Big Ben? Is an exception to the rule as an example of what could happen worth the gamble?

No is the correct answer to both questions. lets move on.

I think if you only try to find a Manning mold of a QB.....lots of great QBs will pass you by.

Big Ben is one of many QBs teams can win with (and have won with)that don't fit the mold previously mentioned.

I think Cam is Cam. There are some similarties w/ a Big Ben as well as others.

[CRA]

I wouldn't take Roethlisberger at gunpoint.

have you seen what he has done behind some garbage OL play? (granted he hold it and makes them look worse at times but he flat out gets it done). Perfect example of why traditional and pretty ain't what always gets it done.

(of course this is ignoring his off field character and just looking at his play).

[teeray]

Didn't say it did. Coming from a pro-style offense isn't a predictor of success, but it does make the transition simpler.

People keep saying this but there is simply no evidence to support it.

That'd be a pretty big stretch.

Not really. In The Golden Calf of Bristol's 3 starts he accounted for 7 TDs and 3 ints.

In The Golden Calf of Bristol's 3 starts he averaged 217 ypg passing and 66 ypg rushing. So a total of 283 ypg by The Golden Calf of Bristol in his 3 starts. And one these games was against the best defense in the NFL.

If stretch this averages over 16 games he would have accounted for 4,528 yards of total offense, 37 TDs and 16 ints. Not only are those numbers better than Bradfords, they are pro bowl numbers.

There is one major statistic he did struggle with and that was completion percentage where he managed to complete only 50% of his passes.

Yet in The Golden Calf of Bristol's 3 starts his team averaged 25 ppg as opposed to 21 ppg in the other 13 games with Orton starting.

So yeah. in nearly every statistical category The Golden Calf of Bristol was better except completion percentage albeit with a much smaller sample .

[Mr. Scot]

Based on a "small sample" people believed Doug Johnson "could start for at least 20 NFL teams".

When he actually did, things didn't exactly go well.

[Panthro]

I wouldn't take Roethlisberger at gunpoint.

And I'd shoot you to have him

In the leg of course...merely a flesh wound.

[teeray]

I wouldn't take Roethlisberger at gunpoint.

then your standards for a qb are way too high. you dont want ben at gunpoint but are dyind for carson palmer :lol:

[Mr. Scot]

Has Carson Palmer been accused of rape recently?

For the record, I called Palmer "overrated" for years, and still think he is, but so is Roethlisberger. Two of his three Super Bowl performances were awful, his team carried him to victory in one of the wins and he did "just enough" in the other.

He's looked better than he actually is because he's hard to bring down. As a passer though, he's not that great. I don't consider him a "franchise quarterback" (and didn't even before the rape allegations came out).

Given the factors - especially that his QB coach is Ken Zampese, son of Norv Turner's mentor - Palmer is the best option available in a year in which, as I've said many times, it's a lousy time to need a quarterback.

[teeray]

Based on a "small sample" people believed Doug Johnson "could start for at least 20 NFL teams".

When he actually did, things didn't exactly go well.

not surprisingly you missed the point. i said he was more effective in his 3 starts. which is true.

[teeray]

Has Carson Palmer been accused of rape recently?

accused or convicted? if you asking me which has been convicted i would say neither