Tebow>Newton?

[Swarly]

Since we're going by stats now Andrew Luck is a one hit wonder who performed worse than Jimmy Clausen last season.

Stay away. :lol:

So Newton fans are allowed to talk up Newtons stats as an indicator for success but others can't argue why it's irrelevant?

[Swarly]

Wrong. They plugged him into that offense. Tubbs was implementing a spread offense back in 2008. Chizik installed one for 2009-2010.

You're honestly saying that if you plugged Newton into a pro-style offense he would be as dominant as he was in Auburns offense?

[riddel]

Since we're going by stats now Andrew Luck is a one hit wonder who performed worse than Jimmy Clausen did in his last season.

Stay away. :lol:

I'm just trying to figure out how Cam Newton translates to #1 pick in the draft, then I want to know how he translates to Chud's offensive system. I'm just not seeing it?

His passing yardage is average. The system he played in exploited his running ability. He is not even a better all around "college" Qb than The Golden Calf of Bristol and The Golden Calf of Bristol went 25th?

[mav1234]

Wrong. They plugged him into that offense. Tubbs was implementing a spread offense back in 2008. Chizik installed one for 2009-2010.

The offense was heavily modified at the start, to make it easier on Newton but also primarily to utilize his skill set. That was smart of the coaches, and it's the same kind of thing that would happen in the NFL... to an extent anyway

[teeray]

So Newton fans are allowed to talk up Newtons stats as an indicator for success but others can't argue why it's irrelevant?

I think I was making the point that stats are irrelevant. So i was agreeing with you.

However show me one current big time QB in the NFL that wasn't productive in college.

[CRA]

He was at UF for 2 years.....didn't do too much dominating there.....jus sayin.

Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck......no one was going to unseat The Golden Calf of Bristol. The Golden Calf of Bristol won the Hesiman Cam's first season......no matter the QB no one was going to take the job away from him. Even signicantly better pro prospects.

[CRA]

I'm just trying to figure out how Cam Newton translates to #1 pick in the draft, then I want to know how he translates to Chud's offensive system. I'm just not seeing it?

His passing yardage is average. The system he played in exploited his running ability. He is not even a better all around "college" Qb than The Golden Calf of Bristol and The Golden Calf of Bristol went 25th?

name a QB that was better in college than The Golden Calf of Bristol? The Golden Calf of Bristol was a better college player than every QB drafted in the top 10 the past decade. BUT, this isn't about being a good college player.

Not sure why you are fixated on The Golden Calf of Bristol......what about there games is similar? They are different QBs w/ different skill sets.

[countryboi]

by using this same argument armanti edwards should be a beast at QB...

[riddel]

by using this same argument armanti edwards should be a beast at QB...

I'm not arguing for The Golden Calf of Bristol or Newton....I think their games belong in college.

I'm arguing that we should be looking for a pure passer that fits into Chud's system, not some great athletic rushing QB....

[davos]

Y'all are thinking too much about this. They're both stud college QBs that have a crazy amount of potential.

[teeray]

I'm just trying to figure out how Cam Newton translates to #1 pick in the draft, then I want to know how he translates to Chud's offensive system. I'm just not seeing it?

His passing yardage is average. The system he played in exploited his running ability. He is not even a better all around "college" Qb than The Golden Calf of Bristol and The Golden Calf of Bristol went 25th?

6'6 250 lbs., very strong arm, very natural throwing motion, correct throwing motion (unlike The Golden Calf of Bristol), more accurate than he is given credit for, extremely (and uniquely) athletically gifted for the QB position, a winner on the field, a quick study of two different offenses in two separate years, flaws that are easily correctable, very accurate vertically which is necessary for coryell offense, a passer with unique running ability, whose teammates felt compelled to carry him off the field after the SEC championship.

What more do you want from a guy?

[monstercat]

So why can't the Panthers design their offense around Cam Newton just like Auburn did? They don't have to run the same spread system, but they can most definitely design plays to take advantage of his unique abilities. Even a simple reverse or end around would be totally different if the other team has to account for the possibility of the QB faking the hand off and running it himself. This is not rocket science.

Also, Teeray is right. The Golden Calf of Bristol's big problem was his throwing motion, which is not a problem at all with Cam Newton. It's a big freakin deal when you have to completely change the way you have been throwing a ball since you were a little kid. All Cam needs to do is keep working on his footwork and he will be as mechanically sound as a rookie as Jake Delhomme was after 10 years in the league. And just like Jake, Cam is capable of making accurate throws from awkward positions, which is a huge plus, IMO.

[MHS831]

Ok.

So The Golden Calf of Bristol goes 25th and Newton may go 1st. Let's redirect the debate.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol is the better QB (Florida believe so and stats say so), then why would we take Newton with the 1st pick in the draft? It's really crazy to me.

In addition to that, The Golden Calf of Bristol was never a serious candidate to be a first rounder. It was surprising when The Golden Calf of Bristol went in the first round. Considering the point scale for trades, the first pick is worth 3000 points. The median first rounder is worth 1000 points. The Golden Calf of Bristol was selected in the spot that is generally worth 720 points. So basically, if you think Cam is worth the first overall pick in relation to The Golden Calf of Bristol, a pick many thought to be "Armanti Edwardsish" then you are suggesting the Cam is worth 4 first round picks, assuming the picks were toward the end of the first round.

[MHS831]

So why can't the Panthers design their offense around Cam Newton just like Auburn did? They don't have to run the same spread system, but they can most definitely design plays to take advantage of his unique abilities. QUOTE]

Philly is trying it with Vick now, and with some success. However, if you look at the history of run-first, college spread QBs, it has been done before. Randall Cunningham and Mike Vick are the two most successful that come to mind. Both have proven to be at their best when they were on the wrong side of 30. When the legs start to fail you. That is when they learned to stay in the pocket for that extra quarter second, use their brains and experience, and make plays. Running may look effective, like a hamster in a wheel, it never wins championships. Between Cunningham and Vick there are dozens of flops, and teams modified offenses to accomodate their special talents. Obviously, it rarely works.

Cam Newton has tremendous upside, but you are not changing the game to accomodate your players. Championships are won by getting players who excell in the NFL game. He will succeed in flashes early, like The Golden Calf of Bristol did, but soon he will be weighed, measured, and downgraded to a nuisance, like the others.

I also think lottery tickets have tremendous upsides, but I am not cashing my check to buy them.