Tebow>Newton?

[Panthro]

Funny. His stats didn't show it the one year he was the man. Newton's best attribute was his rushing yardage. We have Williams and Stewart, who I would dare say are better at rushing the ball than Newton. Why do we want this guy again?

[DaCityKats]

to run the offense.he was asked to run that offense and he did, so why knock him for that. i been saying we can just give those carries to double t.

[CRA]

Newton only played 1 year in college. The Golden Calf of Bristol played 3.5. Newton backed up The Golden Calf of Bristol for 2 years while The Golden Calf of Bristol won National Championships and his 2008 and 2009 stats were almost as good as 2007.

How does Newton have bigger upside? He has never produced as much as The Golden Calf of Bristol, he was The Golden Calf of Bristol's backup and he only proved himself for 1 college season? Newton has more potential to be a BUST.

again, continiously talking about his college record doesn't mean much here. I could argue The Golden Calf of Bristol was better than every QB who is currently playing in the NFL in college.....that DOESN'T mean The Golden Calf of Bristol is better suited for the NFL than Manning, Brees, Brady, Ryan, etc, etc.

Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol aren't the same player. You seem to be implying The Golden Calf of Bristol is just a better version of Cam when they really aren't that similar. Just b/c they both used their legs in college doesn't mean there games are the same.

Cam has better tools and mechanics for the passing game once he works on his footwork than The Golden Calf of Bristol. The Golden Calf of Bristol also runs more like a FB than Cam does.....and that doesn't translate as well at the next level.

[Pox 08]

again, continiously talking about his college record doesn't mean much here. I could argue The Golden Calf of Bristol was better than every QB who is currently playing in the NFL in college.....that DOESN'T mean The Golden Calf of Bristol is better suited for the NFL than Manning, Brees, Brady, Ryan, etc, etc.

Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol aren't the same player. You seem to be implying The Golden Calf of Bristol is just a better version of Cam when they really aren't that similar. Just b/c they both used their legs in college doesn't mean there games are the same.

Cam has better tools and mechanics for the passing game once he works on his footwork than The Golden Calf of Bristol. The Golden Calf of Bristol also runs more like a FB than Cam does.....and that doesn't translate as well at the next level.

Doesn't The Golden Calf of Bristol also have a really f%cked up throwing motion or something along those lines? Something that most scouts and analysts thought would really hold him back at the pro level?

[riddel]

1) that DOESN'T mean The Golden Calf of Bristol is better suited for the NFL than Manning, Brees, Brady, Ryan, etc, etc.

2) Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol aren't the same player. You seem to be implying The Golden Calf of Bristol is just a better version of Cam.

1) This is my EXACT point. The Golden Calf of Bristol is not better suited for the NFL and neither is Cam.

2) Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol are not the same players, The Golden Calf of Bristol is better at the college game than Cam was. Neither Cam or The Golden Calf of Bristol are NFL type Qbs, they are college type Qbs. College type Qbs don't do well in the NFL. Pure passing Qbs are winners, not mobile college offensive schemed Qbs.

Both The Golden Calf of Bristol and Cam had their college offenses built around them. Successful NFL QBs fit into a winning offensive scheme and execute that scheme. What makes you think The Golden Calf of Bristol or Cam would fit into Chud's scheme?

[riddel]

I'm posting this again, even though I posted it in the Craig thread. The real question here is do we really want a rushing QB in the NFL? Newton threw for 2854 yards, which ranks 36th and his completion % is middle of the road. What NFL potential are we really pointing at? His potential to rush the ball or throw it?

Mallett is the proven passer. If we our QB coach is worth a squat, then Mallet should be the guy we select for Chud's system. Not with the #1 pick though!

TRADE DOWN PLEASE!!!

1 Bryant Moniz, QB HAW 555 361 65.0 5040 9.1 80 39 15 38 159.1

2 Landry Jones, QB OKLA 617 405 65.6 4718 7.6 86 38 12 19 146.3

3 Brandon Weeden, QB OKST 511 342 66.9 4277 8.4 81 34 13 8 154.1

4 Dominique Davis, QB ECU 609 393 64.5 3967 6.5 77 37 16 15 134.0

5 Ryan Mallett, QB ARK 411 266 64.7 3869 9.4 89 32 12 25 163.7

6 Kellen Moore, QB BSU 383 273 71.3 3845 10.0 83 35 6 6 182.6

7 Ryan Lindley, QB SDSU 421 243 57.7 3830 9.1 90 28 14 9 149.4

8 Kyle Padron, QB SMU 508 302 59.4 3828 7.5 82 31 14 31 137.4

9 Taylor Potts, QB TTU 551 369 67.0 3726 6.8 55 35 10 17 141.1

Corey Robinson, QB TROY 505 321 63.6 3726 7.4 79 28 15 23 137.9

RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT

11 G.J. Kinne, QB TLSA 460 275 59.8 3650 7.9 75 31 10 28 144.3

12 Russell Wilson, QB NCST 527 308 58.4 3563 6.8 60 28 14 39 127.5

13 Robert Griffin III, QB BAY 454 304 67.0 3501 7.7 94 22 8 20 144.2

14 T.J. Yates, QB UNC 422 282 66.8 3418 8.1 97 19 9 37 145.5

15 Ryan Radcliff, QB CMU 466 282 60.5 3358 7.2 70 17 17 33 125.8

16 Andrew Luck, QB STAN 372 263 70.7 3338 9.0 81 32 8 6 170.2

17 Alex Carder, QB WMU 458 289 63.1 3334 7.3 74 30 12 30 140.6

18 Nathan Enderle, QB IDHO 478 271 56.7 3314 6.9 76 22 16 39 123.4

19 Ben Chappell, QB IND 483 302 62.5 3295 6.8 65 24 9 11 132.5

20 Nick Foles, QB ARIZ 426 286 67.1 3191 7.5 85 20 10 23 140.9

RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT

21 Blaine Gabbert, QB MIZZ 475 301 63.4 3186 6.7 68 16 9 23 127.0

22 Mike Hartline, QB UK 405 268 66.2 3178 7.8 55 23 9 14 146.4

23 Sean Renfree, QB DUKE 464 285 61.4 3131 6.7 70 14 17 23 120.7

24 Austin Davis, QB USM 442 278 62.9 3103 7.0 67 20 6 17 134.1

25 Stephen Garcia, QB SCAR 349 224 64.2 3059 8.8 72 20 14 24 148.7

26 Aaron Murray, QB UGA 342 209 61.1 3049 8.9 66 24 8 24 154.5

27 Colin Kaepernick, QB NEV 359 233 64.9 3022 8.4 79 21 8 10 150.5

28 Ricky Stanzi, QB IOWA 345 221 64.1 3004 8.7 70 25 6 19 157.6

29 Greg McElroy, QB ALA 313 222 70.9 2987 9.5 85 20 5 30 169.0

30 Bryan Ellis, QB UAB 411 231 56.2 2940 7.2 72 25 12 7 130.5

RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT

31 Ryan Aplin, QB ARST 408 250 61.3 2934 7.2 65 21 11 23 133.3

32 Zach Collaros, QB CIN 383 225 58.7 2902 7.6 69 26 14 30 137.5

33 Darron Thomas, QB ORE 361 222 61.5 2881 8.0 84 30 9 10 151.0

34 Jordan La Secla, QB SJSU 391 231 59.1 2860 7.3 75 16 16 29 125.8

35 Andy Dalton, QB TCU 316 209 66.1 2857 9.0 93 27 6 8 166.5

36 Cam Newton, QB AUB 280 185 66.1 2854 10.2 94 30 7 23 182.0

[Panthro]

By those stats I guess we shouldn't have drafted Luck either if he had come out.

[Swarly]

Not saying Newton is comparable to The Golden Calf of Bristol(he isn't), but the OP has a point.

This just shows how irrelevant stats are when it comes to evaluating college quarterbacks. Cam fans like to point to Cam's passing stats as an indicator that he's a good passer, so why can't we do the same with The Golden Calf of Bristol?

Newton is much more polished as a passer then The Golden Calf of Bristol(much better mechanics, etc), but he is still a running QB whose stats were inflated due to the gimmick offense he ran. He was dominant in it, won't deny that, but those that think the kind of passing success he had in college will translate to the NFL are delusional. He's got a lot of work to do.

[CRA]

1) This is my EXACT point. The Golden Calf of Bristol is not better suited for the NFL and neither is Cam.

2) Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol are not the same players, The Golden Calf of Bristol is better at the college game than Cam was. Neither Cam or The Golden Calf of Bristol are NFL type Qbs, they are college type Qbs. College type Qbs don't do well in the NFL. Pure passing Qbs are winners, not mobile college offensive schemed Qbs. Both The Golden Calf of Bristol and Cam had their college offenses built around them. Successful NFL QBs fit into a winning offensive scheme and execute that scheme. What makes you think The Golden Calf of Bristol or Cam would fit into Chud's scheme?

Talent is what matters at this level. Cam has NFL talent.

You can groom a kid like Clausen to be a "pro QB" but that simply isn't what makes people successful at the NFL level. Talent does.

Steve Young to Peyton Manning to Big Ben. There isn't just one mold to look for for.

I never said I thought The Golden Calf of Bristol could fit into Chud's offense. I don't think The Golden Calf of Bristol's game translates at QB that well. Cam has a better skill set to play NFL QB.

[Panthro]

Not saying Newton is comparable to The Golden Calf of Bristol(he isn't), but the OP has a point.

This just shows how irrelevant stats are when it comes to evaluating college quarterbacks. Cam fans like to point to Cam's passing stats as an indicator that he's a good passer, so why can't we do the same with The Golden Calf of Bristol?

Newton is much more polished as a passer then The Golden Calf of Bristol(much better mechanics, etc), but he is still a running QB whose stats were inflated due to the gimmick offense he ran. He was dominant in it, won't deny that, but those that think the kind of passing success he had in college will translate to the NFL are delusional. He's got a lot of work to do.

I think he is a great QB who just happened to play in that Offense. Put him anywhere and he would have dominated college football last season.

[Swarly]

I think he is a great QB who just happened to play in that Offense. Put him anywhere and he would have dominated college football last season.

That's simply not true dude. Auburn 100% designed their offense around Cam(why not? it won them a championship). You could stick Andrew Luck in Auburns offense and they would have been awful because he isn't suited for it.

He would have struggled in a pro-style offense. I'm not hating on him, either. Just being realistic.

[riddel]

I think he is a great QB who just happened to play in that Offense. Put him anywhere and he would have dominated college football last season.

He was at UF for 2 years.....didn't do too much dominating there.....jus sayin.

[teeray]

By those stats I guess we shouldn't have drafted Luck either if he had come out.

Since we're going by stats now Andrew Luck is a one hit wonder who performed worse than Jimmy Clausen did in his last season.

Stay away. :lol:

[Panthro]

That's simply not true dude. Auburn 100% designed their offense around Cam(why not? it won them a championship). You could stick Andrew Luck in Auburns offense and they would have been awful because he isn't suited for it.

He would have struggled in a pro-style offense. I'm not hating on him, either. Just being realistic.

Wrong. They plugged him into that offense. Tubbs was implementing a spread offense back in 2008. Chizik installed one for 2009-2010.