"One of them has to go to Carolina at #1" Mayock on QBs

[chef17]

Even his good games aren't that great though. He didn't look good in any preseason. He didn't look good in most of his playing time he has gotten except a couple at the end of 2009. He has had time to prove himself. Last year wasn't the only chance he has had. He won some games when he was a rookie but again he didn't set the world on fire in those games (not that he should have).

Hopefully he will get yet another shot this year but if you can't get it done in the preseason over 4 seasons why would you think he is suddenly going to be great against the first teamers??

But again hopefully he will get one more shot.

On this team, with Fox offense, when did he have a chance to set the world on fire? He was running the offense the coaches called, and he ran it well. And he looked good at the end of 07 and 09, this is the only year he looked really bad. I'm not saying he is a great QB, but I personally don't think we know how he will turn out. Last year he only played two games in a row. That's not consistent. IMO he should get at least 5-6 games of being the starter before we determine what he is capable of.

[TheRealDeal]

guys remember how therealdeal suggests the ravens aren't as run obsessed as we are even though they average over 500 attempts since 2008

Notice how Raging Bull is losing this argument at every turn so he turns to stats that aren't part of the argument.

He's even going as far as putting a team that he didn't originally put in the run heavy category.

I gave you the numbers of everyone you suggested for the year we are talking about.

If you want to average to include time Moore wasn't included in to say that 140 is outstanding, go right ahead but realize how foolish you look

[TheRealDeal]

I'm having a lot of fun giving you guys the business tonight but I gotta go play some softball.

Will be back tomorrow morning at roughly 8:30am PST to see what you guys have reached for in the meantime.

[teeray]

Only one person in the top 15 had a better YPC and that was Rivers at 12.8 so does that change your opinion?

Manning was at 11.2

Brady was at 11.3

Breez was at 11.5

Actually Manning had less than that I think. I calculated it myself and I got 10.4 YPC. It doesn't really change a whole lot simply bc you are talking about 79 completions compared to 400+ completions.

But my larger point you can't determine from stats these stats alone. Matt Moore had several bombs in those 5 games that really bumped up his average. Which is good. I'm not trying to penalize Moore for his deep completions. But he still didn't have a lot of completions in the intermediate range.

Again I do hope he gets another chance.

[teeray]

On this team, with Fox offense, when did he have a chance to set the world on fire? He was running the offense the coaches called, and he ran it well. And he looked good at the end of 07 and 09, this is the only year he looked really bad. I'm not saying he is a great QB, but I personally don't think we know how he will turn out. Last year he only played two games in a row. That's not consistent. IMO he should get at least 5-6 games of being the starter before we determine what he is capable of.

If the RFAs stick he will get another chance so we will find out. I didn't find him as impressive as you at the end of 07. Yeah we went 2-1 but he wasn't that good. Nor should he have been, he was a rookie and undrafted.

He will get his chance this year.

[teeray]

Maybe

[frash.exe]

Notice how Raging Bull is losing this argument at every turn so he turns to stats that aren't part of the argument.

He's even going as far as putting a team that he didn't originally put in the run heavy category.

I gave you the numbers of everyone you suggested for the year we are talking about.

If you want to average to include time Moore wasn't included in to say that 140 is outstanding, go right ahead but realize how foolish you look

see if you were actually smart you wouldn't have compared Moore's running game minus the 200+ yard performance to the Jets (who had over 600 attempts in 2009 so there were more than just "two other teams" you dipsh*t) Dolphins and Cincy including 200+ yard performances as well as 300+ yard running performances, and try to pass it off as A+ research. Then try telling me how much better their running game was for their 2009 season compared to ours the final 5 games when the Jets end up at 128.5 yards/game, the Dolphins end up at 124.4 yards/game, and the Bengals ended up with 116.5 rushing yards per game. None of those come close to the Panthers' running game in that 4-1 run, minus 200+ yard performances as outliers.

but this thread is pretty much par for the course with you. you skew stats to look a certain way, ignore good questions and then troll your argument to bring it forth. This argument reminds me of when people used to say Delhomme was as good as a QB perceived to be better by taking away all his pooty performances while leaving the other QB's the same and comparing their rating.

you are so fuging amateur

[chef17]

If the RFAs stick he will get another chance so we will find out. I didn't find him as impressive as you at the end of 07. Yeah we went 2-1 but he wasn't that good. Nor should he have been, he was a rookie and undrafted.

He will get his chance this year.

3 TD, 2 INT, average 190 yards a game, 62 completion percentage. How is that not good? It's not all-pro, but I don't understand how that isn't good.

[frash.exe]

Oh btw what sh*t research you did

NE: Moore:15/30 197 yds 6.5 YPA 1 TD 0 Int

Williams: 82 on 13, Stew: 29 on 7 Total: 111 on 20

Cold, snowy day in NE where his accuracy was off early. Defense couldn't stop Welker

it was actually 119 on 22 carries. Smith added another 7 on 2 carries for 24/126.

MIN: Moore: 21/33 299 yds 9 YPA 3 TD 0 Int

Stew: 109 on 25 Williams: 13 on 6 Total: 124 on 31

Moore's best game to this point and just an average day from the RBs

132 from the backs, Smith took away 6 on a busted play and Moore took another 2 away

35 carries, 126 yards, 34/132 if you don't include Smith

NYG: Moore: 15/20 (75%) 171 yds 8.5 YPA 3 TD 0 Int

Stew: 206 on 28, Hoover: 37 on 9 Total: 243 on 37

While Moore didn't have to do much, he completed a high percentage of his passes and got the ball in the endzone, even got Moose his lone TD of the year

42 carries for 245 yards from the backs

NO: Moore: 14/23 162 yds 7 YPA 1 TD 0 Int

Stew: 125 on 16, Goodson: 44 on 14 Total: 169 on 30

Against NO backups, it was a very boring game called by Fox, but Moore still did his job and even managed to get Jarrett a TD

36 attempts for 179 yards from the backs

Summary for 5 games:

Moore: 79/126 (62%) 990 yds 7.9 YPA 8 TDs 1 Int

RBS: 805 on 150

RBs actually had 833 gross rushing yards on 167 carries, 834 if you count Smith's 1 gross rushing yard on 170 attempts

Averages:

Moore: 15.8/25.2 (62%) 198 yds 7.9 YPA 1.6 TD .2 Int

RBs: 161 on 30

166.6 yards on 33 carries, 5.0 yards per rush

Note: Without the 243 as an outlier for the NYG game, our RBs only averaged 140.4 YPG which isn't anything crazy

833-245=588 yards/4= 147 gross yards per game from the backs. 167-42=125/4= 31.25 carries per game average. Still 4.7 gross yards per rush

I'm not going to compare gross yards with net yards from other teams, but I'm just going to say 147 is pretty good for a running team minus their 200+ yard performances, and plenty enough production for a QB to be able to get into a rhythm. You could disagree with it because you're an idiot and everybody else expects you to. Ask any defense if giving up almost 150 yards and 4.7 ypr to the backs of even a running team isn't like just being raped on the field. One thing I did notice though is you made sure Matt Moore's stats were accurate enough.

His YPA and completion percentage were better than I had expected before doing the legwork.

apparently in the overall sense you decided to do legwork like forrest gump. You now have enough reason to go suck carbon monoxide from your car's exhaust, but I'd be surprised if you can even find it considering your consistent incompetency on here.

source: profootballreference.com

[TheRealDeal]

:lol: You never fail to disappoint RB.

I only took the top two rushers in each game, I didn't include Moore's running stats nor did I include the negative rushing stats that we got from reverses and such

You really think adding an average of 5 yards per game on an average of 3 carries helps your case? If anything, it hurts your YPC average.

The argument wasn't that we didn't have a good running game, it started out to point that we didn't average 200 YPG like some people had suggested.

Our running game was good, but it was good all year. Moore came in and actually did something with it.

You can hate him all you want, but you can't deny that

BTW, your attempts to tell people to kill themselves aren't even as good as Fiz's. Is there anything you do that is half as good as Fiz? Suck carbon monoxide? Really? You can do better than that

[frash.exe]

I only took the top two rushers in each game, I didn't include Moore's running stats nor did I include the negative rushing stats that we got from reverses and such

ok so don't mention how the total contribution of rushes from backs are going to be really >3% off because you can't do your research thoroughly, or correctly. Just conveniently leave that out. Hopefully you can get everyone to think that was the real contribution from the backs!

Stew: 109 on 25 Williams: 13 on 6 Total: 124 on 31

109 + 13 = 122, not 124. But lol you'll just come back with "well that's even less haha yay matt moore", while missing the point that a 2nd grader can do better arithmetic than this, because you suck. You can't add right, you can't do proper research, you aren't even very creative at talking smack. All you could do was prove grateflday's hyperbolic comment wasn't true.

go ahead and answer back with some more superfluous fiz comparisons or other delusional little man rhetoric you limp to discussions with, i'm not going to read it, but prove to everyone else beyond the shadow of a doubt you're my little matt moore fanboy bitch.

[grateflday]

TB: Moore 14/20 161 yds 8 YPA 1 Int (First start in more than a year)

Stew: 120 on 26 carries, Sutton: 38 on 6 Total: 158 on 32

Fox took the game out of Moore's hands and leaned heavily on the run

NE: Moore:15/30 197 yds 6.5 YPA 1 TD 0 Int

Williams: 82 on 13, Stew: 29 on 7 Total: 111 on 20

Cold, snowy day in NE where his accuracy was off early. Defense couldn't stop Welker

MIN: Moore: 21/33 299 yds 9 YPA 3 TD 0 Int

Stew: 109 on 25 Williams: 13 on 6 Total: 124 on 31

Moore's best game to this point and just an average day from the RBs

NYG: Moore: 15/20 (75%) 171 yds 8.5 YPA 3 TD 0 Int

Stew: 206 on 28, Hoover: 37 on 9 Total: 243 on 37

While Moore didn't have to do much, he completed a high percentage of his passes and got the ball in the endzone, even got Moose his lone TD of the year

NO: Moore: 14/23 162 yds 7 YPA 1 TD 0 Int

Stew: 125 on 16, Goodson: 44 on 14 Total: 169 on 30

Against NO backups, it was a very boring game called by Fox, but Moore still did his job and even managed to get Jarrett a TD

Summary for 5 games:

Moore: 79/126 (62%) 990 yds 7.9 YPA 8 TDs 1 Int

RBS: 805 on 150

Averages:

Moore: 15.8/25.2 (62%) 198 yds 7.9 YPA 1.6 TD .2 Int

RBs: 161 on 30

Note: Without the 243 as an outlier for the NYG game, our RBs only averaged 140.4 YPG which isn't anything crazy

Considering our team was built for the run and emphasized run heavy playcalling, those numbers aren't anything eye-popping.

In a few games Moore wasn't asked to do too much and he delivered like he should and when the running game had a mediocre performance, Moore had his best so I think it's unfair to say he only plays well when the running game is going for 200 yds.

His YPA and completion percentage were better than I had expected before doing the legwork.

I'm not sure there was much more he could do given the playcalling.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts..... 1) You did what I didnt want to and spent the time actually putting together the #'2 :cool::thumbsup: I just went by how I rembered that stretch playing out. 2) I have just never been sold on Moore. I dont think he is anything special. I will say, I was ok with him getting a shot, but overall was not optimistic even going into last season with the group of QB's on the roster. I was at least hopeful with the Clausen pick. (of which is an whole other discussion) I just never felt Moore was the answer. I was hoping I was wrong, still feel the same way, and if the Panthers go into next season with Moore, Clausen, and a free Agent Vet QB that we are going to be having this same conversation next year.

[carolinarolls]

Like Mayock said, the Panthers are "open for business" that does not mean they are trying to through off the scent and fool people, it means they are actively pursuing all prospects just in case they get a nibble.

I agree with Mr. Scot here.

the word "smokescreen" is not even being used correctly on this site

[monstercat]

Like Mayock said, the Panthers are "open for business" that does not mean they are trying to through off the scent and fool people, it means they are actively pursuing all prospects just in case they get a nibble.

I agree with Mr. Scot here.

the word "smokescreen" is not even being used correctly on this site

That's what I've been saying all along. I kind of doubt the Panthers will even get a serious nibble though.