"One of them has to go to Carolina at #1" Mayock on QBs

[wade]

You can't judge any player based on a handful of games, especially looking at last season as a whole. Kurt Warner had 10 touchdown passes from 2002-2004, then had 83 his last three seasons and nearly won a second ring. No, I'm not comparing Warner to Matt Moore, I'm just saying.

[TheRealDeal]

I didn't

I just didn't think all the spoils of the glorious 4-1 run we had belonged to him

if moore's presence refreshed Peppers so much how come he didn't just stay here instead of going to Chicago and joining Cutler?

LOL don't you think you are reaching here, even for you?

[frash.exe]

You must be guessing because we had over 100 more attempts than a few of those teams

We had 525 attempts, the only other two to break 500 were Miami and Cincy

Team Att YPG

Miami 509 139

Cincy 505 129

Cleveland 498 130

Pitt 428 112

Atl 451 117

NYG 443 114

Oak 410 106

Jax 447 127

So the teams that were almost as run heavy as us, had about the same averages as us, slightly less as you'd expect. No one else really comes close in attempts

Pitt made me laugh, as well as oakland. You think they are as run heavy as us with more than 100 attempts less?

lol yes teams adjust their offensive philosophies completely every year

[TheRealDeal]

So he only averaged @ 12.5 yards per completion and usually that included a bomb or two to Smitty. He just didn't have many completions in the intermediate. Part of that was the offense but part of that was him not making good throws there.

We will see (I think) but I am not as convinced as you are this offense is a better fit.

What do you think the league average is? Where do you think the top guys fall?

I haven't looked

I know his YPA was pretty good

[TheRealDeal]

lol yes teams adjust their offensive philosophies completely every year

Still sticking by Oakland and Pitt were as run heavy as us?

[teeray]

His body of work was pretty good before last season. Since everyone wants to say "last year our situation sucked, no QB would have success, blah blah" I wouldn't consider last year a test. I think a QB deserves a consistent season before you determine whether they are franchise material. 13 games in 3 seasons? IMO we really don't have a clear picture how good or bad Moore is.

Even his good games aren't that great though. He didn't look good in any preseason. He didn't look good in most of his playing time he has gotten except a couple at the end of 2009. He has had time to prove himself. Last year wasn't the only chance he has had. He won some games when he was a rookie but again he didn't set the world on fire in those games (not that he should have).

Hopefully he will get yet another shot this year but if you can't get it done in the preseason over 4 seasons why would you think he is suddenly going to be great against the first teamers??

But again hopefully he will get one more shot.

[teeray]

What do you think the league average is? Where do you think the top guys fall?

I haven't looked

I know his YPA was pretty good

Honestly I am not sure. I am talking YPC not YPA. But it could be league average. W/O my computer it is tough to look this crap up.

[TheRealDeal]

So he only averaged @ 12.5 yards per completion and usually that included a bomb or two to Smitty. He just didn't have many completions in the intermediate. Part of that was the offense but part of that was him not making good throws there.

We will see (I think) but I am not as convinced as you are this offense is a better fit.

Only one person in the top 15 had a better YPC and that was Rivers at 12.8 so does that change your opinion?

Manning was at 11.2

Brady was at 11.3

Breez was at 11.5

[frash.exe]

Still sticking by Oakland and Pitt were as run heavy as us?

in 2010 we had much less rush attempts than the both of them did, and Oakland had over 500 attempts

[TheRealDeal]

Hopefully he will get yet another shot this year but if you can't get it done in the preseason over 4 seasons why would you think he is suddenly going to be great against the first teamers??

But again hopefully he will get one more shot.

This is also the first time he's gotten to play with "first teamers" and it's a stretch calling what we had in preseason this year that.

Considering our starting WR have been suspect over the years, how good do you expect the backups to be?

Also factor in Dwill and Stew absence from the second team and it gets clearer

[TheRealDeal]

in 2010 we had much less rush attempts than the both of them did, and Oakland had over 500 attempts

And we're talking about 2009.

In 2010 we only averaged about 112 YPG on the ground so its a completely different discussion

[frash.exe]

so because we're only talking about 2009 that means that none of those teams are running teams

ok got it

[frash.exe]

guys remember how therealdeal suggests the ravens aren't as run obsessed as we are even though they average over 500 attempts since 2008

[TheRealDeal]

so because we're only talking about 2009 that means that none of those teams are running teams

ok got it

No it means in the year we are talking about, no one that had similar attempts to us put up far inferior rushing numbers.

You tried to argue that it was other wordly at 140/game even though the two closest teams in attempt also put up similar numbers.

After that, no one came close in attempts thus no one was as run heavy as us that year.

It's not that complicated