Gabbert question

[mav1234]

Winners who get the job done one way or the other and find a way to win are rare. He has the it factor and Gabbert has it to a lesser degree. I just don't want another QB who plays not to lose instead of playing to win.

Nothing, NOTHING we have argued about for the last... hour? Has suggested Gabbert plays not to lose. By the very nature of the risks he takes, he is playing to win. At times, that costs you games. Iowa was one such contest.

It's fine to say you don't want Gabbert. Hell, I don't blame you. I like the kid a ton and I don't want him #1 overall! I just get pissed when people say things that are just not true about him. He's got flaws, point 'em out if you want. IF he didn't have them (or if Newton didn't have his) we'd be taking him #1. But he does. And that's why we'll go in a different direction than QB I think.

[panthers55]

Are you really saying that throwing interceptions is poor leadership?

As to his 3rd down completion percentage, it's pretty bad. But I don't think that shows an inability as a leader, but may be more reflective of the offense he ran... and the fact that yes, when you throw defenders at him, he didn't do the best job dealing with them. I mean, when games are close he has a 64% completion percentage - even when down by up to 14 points. In watching him play, I don't get a sense of "can't handle big games" as much as "can't handle being chased around by a half dozen lineman," because that is what it felt like watching him play against some teams.

Throwing a pick 6 in the last 6 minutes of the game when you have a lead and am driving down the field shows poor game awareness, poor judgement and ultimately poor leadership. He didn't have to throw it at all and did the worse thing he could do which was give up a pick 6.

People always want to blame the offense or anything to hide the reality which is that there are guys who get it done and those who try but come up short. Guys who win and other who talk about it. Gabbert is a good quarterback and if we pick him I will root for him just like I do Clausen. There just seems to be a difference between the guy in shorts at the combine and the guy throwing the ball on 3rd and 8 in a must situation.

Could be me.

[mav1234]

Throwing a pick 6 in the last 6 minutes of the game when you have a lead and am driving down the field shows poor game awareness, poor judgement and ultimately poor leadership. He didn't have to throw it at all and did the worse thing he could do which was give up a pick 6.

People always want to blame the offense or anything to hide the reality which is that there are guys who get it done and those who try but come up short. Guys who win and other who talk about it. Gabbert is a good quarterback and if we pick him I will root for him just like I do Clausen. There just seems to be a difference between the guy in shorts at the combine and the guy throwing the ball on 3rd and 8 in a must situation.

Could be me.

He didn't have to throw it at all, you're right. If there is one knock about Gabbert's decision making, it's that he sometimes doesn't play it safe enough. This is why I get annoyed with people claiming he is like this year's Clausen or something. He's not.

[panthers55]

Nothing, NOTHING we have argued about for the last... hour? Has suggested Gabbert plays not to lose. By the very nature of the risks he takes, he is playing to win. At times, that costs you games. Iowa was one such contest.

They were already ahead and driving. That wasn't playing to win since it was first down and he could have easily thrown the ball away but he forced it in, that was poor judgement. Seems you have been a Panther fan too long with Clausen, Moore, and Jake. There is a difference between taking calculated risks and making bone headed plays and throwing pick sixes.

[chef17]

Can we stop saying Cam came from behind to win games like he did it by himself? Yes AUBURN did have a lot games where they came from far behind, but it's not like Cam was the other player on the field. His entire team stepped up, not just him.

[mav1234]

They were already ahead and driving. That wasn't playing to win since it was first down and he could have easily thrown the ball away but he forced it in, that was poor judgement. Seems you have been a Panther fan too long with Clausen, Moore, and Jake. There is a difference between taking calculated risks and making bone headed plays and throwing pick sixes.

so you're okay with playing it safe, as long as you're up by points? since we're saying silly poo to one another, I'll say you've been watching too much Foxball!

seriously, he screwed up, made a big mistake in a big game he had been playing exceptional in. He is prone to poor judgment calls at times, but I've always heard some of that can be taught. However, this is not some huge problem for him. Overall, his decision making is VERY good and he takes what he can from defenses.

It's not like Gabbert is some turnover machine. He actually had the best attempt-to-int ratio of any of the big name QB prospects (don't really know how he fares against the second tiers). He was even better than Luck in that regard.

[Sword]

his name is blaine gabbert

[panthers55]

Can we stop saying Cam came from behind to win games like he did it by himself? Yes AUBURN did have a lot games where they came from far behind, but it's not like Cam was the other player on the field. His entire team stepped up, not just him.

GO back and watch the Alabama game and get back with me. He won that game for them.

[mav1234]

GO back and watch the Alabama game and get back with me. He won that game for them.

he certainly brought them back, but the loss of Mcelroy doomed Alabama in the 4th quarter.

Cam was fantastic in that game though.

[chef17]

GO back and watch the Alabama game and get back with me. He won that game for them.

Did he stop Alabama's offense from scoring points? I'm not taking anything away from he, but people seem to act like he won those games by himself. NO QB wins a game when he is down more than 7. Even if he starts scoring everytime he touches the ball unless the defense gets a stop they still lose.

[panthers55]

so you're okay with playing it safe, as long as you're up by points? since we're saying silly poo to one another, I'll say you've been watching too much Foxball!

seriously, he screwed up, made a big mistake in a big game he had been playing exceptional in. He is prone to poor judgment calls at times, but I've always heard some of that can be taught.

Plus, it's not like Gabbert is some turnover machine. He actually had the best attempt-to-int ratio of any of the big name QB prospects (don't really know how he fares against the second tiers). He was even better than Luck in that regard.

Seriously Mav, there was no defense for that play. It was a mistake albeit a huge one. It happens and hopefully he learns from it.

His TD to Int ratio was 16-9 or 1.75. Compare that to Newton who was 30-7 or 4.5. Gabbert's efficiency rating was 8th among big 12 quarterbacks. Sure you can pick an esoteric stat if you want but most people compare meaningful stats like TD to INT ration, third down conversions etc. Maybe wins and losses in big games. Important stuff.

[panthers55]

Did he stop Alabama's offense from scoring points? I'm not taking anything away from he, but people seem to act like he won those games by himself. NO QB wins a game when he is down more than 7. Even if he starts scoring everytime he touches the ball unless the defense gets a stop they still lose.

Once again you are getting out in left field. No one is saying this is a one man game or football isn't a team sport but lets get real here. When you are down by multiple scores and your quarterback goes on a tear and brings you back, yeah, he won it for you.

[frash.exe]

Legendary biomechanic pioneer Dr. Michael Yessis completes a technique analysis on University of Missouri’s Blaine Gabbert.

Dr. Michael Yessis, the legendary biomechanic pioneer has completed a technique analysis of one of the predicted top round draft choices in the upcoming NFL Draft, Missouri’s Blaine Gabbert.

Dr. Yessis analyzed Blaine Gabbert’s throwing mechanics frame by frame, in a game situation when the University of Missouri played University of Nevada. “The first thing I noticed is that his whole body turns in one motion. This does not allow Gabbert to take advantage of any kinetic chain to produce more force with his throws” stated Dr. Yessis.

The other thing Dr. Yessis noted about Blaine Gabbert during his stop action analysis that he pioneered, is “he leans back before he throws and then leans forward into the throw to generate power. He does this to make up for a lack of arm strength, a failing in technique, and again, losing out on the power that would be generated by a kinetic chain from a sequence of movements” concluded Dr. Yessis.

“I think Blaine Gabbert would make a excellent pick provided that the team drafting him has the expertise to teach a throwing technique to enhance both his throwing power and his accuracy” summarized Dr. Yessis.

http://atomic5.com/dr-yessis-analyzes-draft-choice-blaine-gabbert

[mav1234]

His TD to Int ratio was 16-9 or 1.75. Compare that to Newton who was 30-7 or 4.5. Gabbert's efficiency rating was 8th among big 12 quarterbacks. Sure youcanpick an esoteric stat if you want but most people compare meaningful stats like TD to INT ration, third down conversions etc. Maybe wins and losses in big games. Important stuff.

There's nothing esoteric about using interception per attempt. It's a more useful metric than TD/INT ratio and it is used by various analysts and hell it even has a place in that retarded formula that claims Pike is a star sitting on our bench. Same goes for TD per attempt. If you want to talk about if a guy has good judgment and protects the ball, you'd have to look at ints per attempt. I'm not saying that you should parse every stat to compare guys to get who is better - hell, not at all. I'm just saying that if you haven't seen a guy play much (and I'm assuming you haven't based on the things you have said) and you're using stats to try to augment what you've seen and read, you might be more interested in a different way of looking at it.

Plus, comparing college stats mean absolutely nothing at the next level. They're fun to debate, but they really don't matter. What does matter is how a player will translate, what tools he'll bring with him. College and pro ball are exceptionally different. Sure, Newton had better college stats. I still am not sold he'll be a better pro.

Plenty of great college players - Heisman winners, national championship winners, people with amazing single seasons - have just not been able to translate to the NFL. So you can't really try to look at stats that much. Sure, Newton's were impressive, and he was fun to watch, but it's more important what he will do at the next level.