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[TheRealDeal]

It means nothing in terms of the draft, correct. But often times scouts findings mean nothing as well because of the craziness and unpredictability of the draft.

Maybe we'll call them "advanced opinioners"

What they do is research/analyze and report back a more informed opinion than those who view them and it gives you a better idea of the draft, where certain prospects rank among the advanced opinioners, and some insight into why certain players may be higher or lower than the average person expects.

They are unquantifiable amounts more informed than you or I about all prospects in the draft and probably know a lot more than most scouts about the majority of players.

There is a reason Gruden isn't coaching this year and it's not because there are 32 better coaches.

[CRA]

It means nothing in terms of the draft, correct. But often times scouts findings mean nothing as well because of the craziness and unpredictability of the draft.

Maybe we'll call them "advanced opinioners"

What they do is research/analyze and report back a more informed opinion than those who view them and it gives you a better idea of the draft, where certain prospects rank among the advanced opinioners, and some insight into why certain players may be higher or lower than the average person expects.

They are unquantifiable amounts more informed than you or I about all prospects in the draft and probably know a lot more than most scouts about the majority of players.

There is a reason Gruden isn't coaching this year and it's not because there are 32 better coaches.

Gruden would have an expert opinion.....if he legitimately gave his opinion. Gruden while working for the media outlets on his break from coaching doesn't give the fans access to his real/expert opinion the overwhelming majority of the time. He just gives an "on air" act. Gruden would have an expert opinion b/c of his resume prior to sharing his views.

the media guys research more guys and have opinions on more guys than most hardcore fans would have the time or energy to even care about.......they do provide information. A lot of information. There opinion on each guy just doesn't mean that much is all.

[monstercat]

CRA and Monstercat attempting to go full retard.

Stay tuned for updates...

:rolleyes:Ok then, post all the experts that correctly predicted that JC would be ranked lower than all 32 starters and about half of the back ups after his rookie NFL season. I don't think they exist but be my guest, Mr. Smartassknowitall.

Anyway, the only experts I care about are the one's running the Carolina Panthers draft, and there is a very good chance that their draft board looks a bit different than the one in the OP.

[TheRealDeal]

the media guys research more guys and have opinions on more guys than most hardcore fans would have the time or energy to even care about.......they do provide information. A lot of information. There opinion on each guy just doesn't mean that much is all.

There opinion means a lot since they spend more time analyzing them. They have access to things 99% of the population doesn't have access to.

Whether YOU put much stock into them or not is a different story but they are experts.

I like their opinion on anything other than QBs because I don't do much research on other prospects.

[TheRealDeal]

:rolleyes:Ok then, post all the experts that correctly predicted that JC would be ranked lower than all 32 starters and about half of the back ups after his rookie NFL season. I don't think they exist but be my guest, Mr. Smartassknowitall.

They usually just rank the prospects coming out and where they compare to each other, and like I mentioned before, are wrong sometimes but here is the list:

1. TheRealDeal

Link: to follow after lunch!

[teeray]

I agree with both of you.

The media guys try to give some fans some insight into how the draft process works and where certain players might fit. They do a pretty good job.

But they aren't perfect and don't have the time, resources, or personnel to evaluate players as thoroughly as NFL scouting departments. Plus as TRD said NFL teams are only evaluating @20 or 30 players so they can really concentrate on those guys whereas TV guys have to try to evaluate everybody.

So I think you are both right to some degree.

[CRA]

There opinion means a lot since they spend more time analyzing them. They have access to things 99% of the population doesn't have access to.

Whether YOU put much stock into them or not is a different story but they are experts.

I like their opinion on anything other than QBs because I don't do much research on other prospects.

Rob Rang can spend hrs and hrs and hrs analzing them. But I just ask again, who is Rob Rang and what is his background? What access does he have? Opinions mean a lot coming from people when they have a background that makes there opinion meaningful.

I like reading them. They are entertaining and provide information. I learn a lot of stuff from them. I just don't consider them experts in evaluating talent.

[monstercat]

I agree with both of you.

The media guys try to give some fans some insight into how the draft process works and where certain players might fit. They do a pretty good job.

But they aren't perfect and don't have the time, resources, or personnel to evaluate players as thoroughly as NFL scouting departments. Plus as TRD said NFL teams are only evaluating @20 or 30 players so they can really concentrate on those guys whereas TV guys have to try to evaluate everybody.

So I think you are both right to some degree.

Either way, it's just an educated guess, which is what I said at the start of this argument.

[Urrymonster]

Gruden would have an expert opinion.....if he legitimately gave his opinion. Gruden while working for the media outlets on his break from coaching doesn't give the fans access to his real/expert opinion the overwhelming majority of the time. He just gives an "on air" act. Gruden would have an expert opinion b/c of his resume prior to sharing his views.

the media guys research more guys and have opinions on more guys than most hardcore fans would have the time or energy to even care about.......they do provide information. A lot of information. There opinion on each guy just doesn't mean that much is all.

You seem pretty hung up on people having played/coached in the NFL.

One question, what were the scouts doing before they got their scouting job?

There are countless people in the NFL who don't know what they are talking about either, hence the ridiculous turnover of staff in the NFL. Of course it gives you a better appreciation for what to look for, but surely immersing yourself in it full time from the outside looking in does just as much?

[CRA]

You seem pretty hung up on people having played/coached in the NFL.

One question, what were the scouts doing before they got their scouting job?

There are countless people in the NFL who don't know what they are talking about either, hence the ridiculous turnover of staff in the NFL. Of course it gives you a better appreciation for what to look for, but surely immersing yourself in it full time from the outside looking in does just as much?

scouts don't have to of played or coached in the NFL.

I am just saying some of the "media experts" simply have zero background to be deemed experts in talent evaluation.

[teeray]

Either way, it's just an educated guess, which is what I said at the start of this argument.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but in order to make an educated guess you would need some type of expertise in that subject no?

[monstercat]

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but in order to make an educated guess you would need some type of expertise in that subject no?

Not really. You just need to watch a lot of college football.

It only gets complicated when you're doing a mock draft, because then you have to know what each team's biggest needs are, along with their philosophy and schemes. Even the TV "experts" screw that up all the time because they don't do their research, which is not professional and doesn't qualify them as experts, IMO. The word "expert" implies that they should know all of that stuff, but they don't.

[Jerry]

I think that ratings board is right on the smart money.

Gabbert is better then Newton flat out but stay away

from both of them and get Dareus. He will be a QB buster and run jammer

for years to come. He will make us forget Peppers. We need him now.

[TheRealDeal]

Not really. You just need to watch a lot of college football.

No, it's been proven here that just watching college football doesn't make you an expert. Half the people here can't identify true play design on one of the simplest plays in football.

They know what they are looking for and what translates to the NFL.