This guy had an amazing last year of college too.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I doubt we will pick #1... Bengals watch is on. Bengals will give us Palmer and and their 1st for our first and 3rd.

There is a slim to none chance of this happening since there is no CBA in place where we can trade for players.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Since when are rushing yards a factor that determines successful NFL QBs?

There not, but when the quarterback is known for his mobility; well then that is something one has to factor in when they are arguing a point for two quarterbacks that are nothing alike. Essentially you are comparing a player who played his college ball like Ben Rothlisberger to an NFL bust who played his college ball like Matt Leinart.

[MHS831]

I doubt we will pick #1... Bengals watch is on. Bengals will give us Palmer and and their 1st for our first and 3rd.

I like the trade, but to swap first rounders is the equivalent of first rounder if you go by the points on the trade chart and historical values of first round trades. Palmer is not worth a first rounder right now. His contract is something like $16 million. However, players cannot be traded now, so the CBA will have to be in place before this is possible. We are talking one month now.

Cincinnati is in a tough place. They will HAVE to draft a QB. If they do nothing at #4, Carolina and Buffalo could own the two top QBs. Denver could trade down with a Tennessee or Washington and even Buffalo gets screwed.

Palmer is damaged goods. I would swap picks with them for Palmer if they re-work his contract first. I would not add a third rounder.

The scenario I see is a trade with a team like Washington. Bengals get McNabb and Haynesworth, Washington gets Palmer and Ocho. Won't happen, but the salaries are about the same when totalled.

[mick eye]

You know i don't see the Bengals desperate enough to trade up. If the Bills and us go QB that just means talent like Peterson or Green will be there.

I could see them taking Green then at the top of the second take a flyer on the second tier of qb's. Locker, Kapernick, Mallett, Ponder or Dalton all could come in and be a project. Whoever they pick having Green there to help him will accelerate his progress.

[MHS831]

There not but when you are known for your mobility that is something you have to factor in when your arguing a point for two quarterbacks that are nothing alike. Essentially you are comparing a player who played his college ball like Ben Rothlisberger to an NFL bust who played his college ball like Matt Leinart.

I agree in principal, but Carr's mobility was not bad--compared to college stats of Aaron Rodgers (averaged 2.2 yards per carry) and Big Ben (averaged 1.9 yards per carry), he is very comparable. They are touted as mobile QBs.

If rushing for 1500 means you are mobile that is great. However, Cam was in an offense where the QB ran first, then passed. Many of his plays began with a fake run to bring in LBs and even DBs before he threw to a pre-designated WR.

To me, the rushing yards are POSSIBLY more of a problem in the NFL. Not because of injury, but because he ran so much. He averaged 100 yards a game. HE RELIED ON HIS LEGS TO SUCCEED, NOT HIS BRAIN AND ARM. The brain and arm are the most critical parts of every successful NFL QB.

BRAINS- On field: Many times, the offense lined up and Newton looked to the sideline for a pre-snap read. Not his fault if the coaches made him, but I bet if they had Andrew Luck, it would not have been necessary. After his fake-run jab step, he looked straight at the pre-snap read. Covered? If so, run. Again, he may be smart and able to read defenses, but I never saw him doing it. Off Field: Cheating, stealing, lying (NCAA investigation will probably determine he knew), comments to the media...He is not a bad kid, but when has he made a good, intelligent decision?

ARM- Strength: Very good arm strength, but not the best. Mallett and Kaepernick throw it harder. Accuracy: 52% at the combine, 10 of 60 bad balls at the pro day, well below the others' pro days.

First round QBs with much better brains and accuracy have busted in the NFL. Cam has a long way to go. He has the physical tools, but he is risky. Some Cam supporters scream, "It is worth the risk!" But if their jobs were on the line like Marty Hurney's will be, you don't pick Cam Newton.

[MHS831]

You know i don't see the Bengals desperate enough to trade up. If the Bills and us go QB that just means talent like Peterson or Green will be there.

I could see them taking Green then at the top of the second take a flyer on the second tier of qb's. Locker, Kapernick, Mallett, Ponder or Dalton all could come in and be a project. Whoever they pick having Green there to help him will accelerate his progress.

I have thought the same thing. Tennessee and Washington are potential traders. I don't want to drop that low.

It all depends if your scouting team wants a specific QB or would accept any of a group of QBs. To me, if you consider risk, the fact that nearly all are projects, I would take Kaepernick in the second. He is smart, has a great arm, and no baggage. He, like Newton, is a year or two away. We could forget Gabbert and possibly trade down. Get Fairley or Peterson or Green etc. and take a Christian Ponder or CK who might become better pros that Gabbert. Their upsides are not as high, but who really knows with QBs?

I do not see the huge difference between the top 5 QBs and the second rounders. In fact, Clausen would be the #1 QB if he stayed at ND.

I have a feeling Ponder will succeed. He may be the cream of the crop. In the right system and given enough time, I see Dalton and Kaepernick succeeding. Newton? He will dazzle for a while by running for a first down before checking to his second WR, and the crowd will cheer. Defenses will adjust, and he will become irrelevant. His accuracy issues will be magnified. For the first time in his life, he will have to think instead of run. He willl strive to be average.

[MHS831]

The only similarity is that they are both going to be drafted #1 overall

Great, if that means the Panthers traded down.

[PantherBrew]

Damn, I am not on either Cam Newton side, but damn you fugers are annoying.

[teeray]

I agree in principal, but Carr's mobility was not bad--compared to college stats of Aaron Rodgers (averaged 2.2 yards per carry) and Big Ben (averaged 1.9 yards per carry), he is very comparable. They are touted as mobile QBs.

If rushing for 1500 means you are mobile that is great. However, Cam was in an offense where the QB ran first, then passed. Many of his plays began with a fake run to bring in LBs and even DBs before he threw to a pre-designated WR.

To me, the rushing yards are POSSIBLY more of a problem in the NFL. Not because of injury, but because he ran so much. He averaged 100 yards a game. HE RELIED ON HIS LEGS TO SUCCEED, NOT HIS BRAIN AND ARM. The brain and arm are the most critical parts of every successful NFL QB.

BRAINS- On field: Many times, the offense lined up and Newton looked to the sideline for a pre-snap read. Not his fault if the coaches made him, but I bet if they had Andrew Luck, it would not have been necessary. After his fake-run jab step, he looked straight at the pre-snap read. Covered? If so, run. Again, he may be smart and able to read defenses, but I never saw him doing it. Off Field: Cheating, stealing, lying (NCAA investigation will probably determine he knew), comments to the media...He is not a bad kid, but when has he made a good, intelligent decision?

ARM- Strength: Very good arm strength, but not the best. Mallett and Kaepernick throw it harder. Accuracy: 52% at the combine, 10 of 60 bad balls at the pro day, well below the others' pro days.

First round QBs with much better brains and accuracy have busted in the NFL. Cam has a long way to go. He has the physical tools, but he is risky. Some Cam supporters scream, "It is worth the risk!" But if their jobs were on the line like Marty Hurney's will be, you don't pick Cam Newton.

There is so much in here that is just flat out false it is hard to take this seriously. :(

[CarolinaKat]

There is so much in here that is just flat out false it is hard to take this seriously. :(

Thats daily reading on the huddle

[monstercat]

Carr was mobile alright...he was the best I've ever seen when it comes to running his way to a bigger loss. 5yd sacks were not good enough for him, he wanted those epic 20yd losses.

[csx]

I'm sure everyone on hear was ecstatic when the Panthers signed Carr and predicting him to be the starter by mid season. Funny how everyone is a QB expert after the fact.

[panthers55]

If we draft Newton, he'll have to sit on the bench for 2-3 years. Newton is super raw... He won't run away from anyone in NFL and his passing ability is suspect at best. If we draft Newton, we'll have to get a vet to start. Means, Pike and Moore r good as gone. It does not make any sense to me. We drafted Clausen last year cause he was raw.. We threw into fire and watched him burn, now Newton... FO can't really be this stupid...

We won't be waiting 2 or 3 years. Maybe this year maybe 8 or 9 games. They pared down the playbook for Clausen last year just like they did for Moore in 2007. It may take him a year or two to fully learn all the nuances of the offense but he has shown at the JUCO level and division 1 that he picks things up quickly, can do quite a bit even with a limited playbook, and puts the time in to work hard and grow.

Moore might be gone or might not. He seems further along than pickles and there aren't many FA guys who are much better short of Palmer and McNabb whp are not likely to come here. In all honesty I think that Newton could come in and be significantly better than Clausen was last year if he came in and played as a rookie. Clausen had decent stats as a whole but didn't play that well in college and didn't really put the team on his back like Newton did.

[monstercat]

I'm sure everyone on hear was ecstatic when the Panthers signed Carr and predicting him to be the starter by mid season. Funny how everyone is a QB expert after the fact.

Most Panthers fans were, but not me. I was willing to give Carr the benefit of the doubt at first, but I never thought it was that good of a pick up. I feel pretty much the same way a bout any of the possible veterans we might get this year, as well. Even McNabb wouldn't be too exciting to me, because I just don't trust Eagles QB's when they get out of that system.