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Question for those who don't wanna draft a QB


davos

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I think Gabbert can be your Alex Smith kind of guy - don't see him as a franchise QB. Next year we are expecting a bunch of guys to potential first rounders including Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, Kirk Cousins and Landry Jones. Terrel Pryor is another guy who could be interesting..

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Have already said each of these things elsewhere, but will try to lay the whole thing out here...

- Our current situation is this: We have young prospects. What we lack is a veteran presence. I don't really see adding more youth to the equation as a helpful thing.

- That said, I would happily take the risk of adding more youth IF there were a quarterback that struck me as a special prospect. There isn't. Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Dalton...you see other guys just as good or better in every draft. Nobody in this bunch stands out. And none of them is worth the #1 pick.

- So then if there's not a guy worth the number one, why not take a flyer on a guy in a later round? See above. We've already got that (twice). Why get yet another one? There are other positions those picks could be better used on.

- People confuse "best quarterback in the draft" with "franchise quarterback". Those two terms are not interchangeable. At various times, Heath Shuler, David Carr, Tim Couch and JaMarcus Russell were all "the best quarterback available". But were they franchise quarterbacks? No. Not every draft has those, and this year is one of the ones that doesn't.

- Folks keep saying "we need offense". That's all well and good, but if you really want offense this year, drafting any of the current crop of quarterbacks isn't a good move because none of them can contribute right away. You'd be better off going AJ Green if that's what you really want (though for me, receiver is another position that doesn't need to get any younger).

- Are the guys that we already have question marks? Absolutely, but so are the guys in the draft. You don't back up question marks with other question marks. That's a recipe for disaster. To put it another way, you don't take project QBs at number one. A quarterback taken #1 overall should be a guy who, if needed, could contribute immediately. That guy just doesn't exist this season.

- And speaking of Clausen and Pike, people act like we already know they're worthless. Ditto Matt Moore. The truth is we don't know any of that because last year was such a boondoggle that it's not fair to judge anybody based solely on that. Disagree with me on that if you want, but Ron Rivera agrees, so you'll be fighting him on that point too. I have no influence on what the team decides, but he does.

- A side note on Moore. He's actually got more experience, connection and familiarity with this system than either of the other guys do. And when Hurney talks about him, he always refers to him as being "injured" last year. From everything that's been said, it seems fairly certain that Moore will get the chance to show he's worth keeping. What he does with that chance is up to him.

- Are there guys who are expected to be better available in next year's draft? Yes. Can we count on getting one of them? No. But does that mean that we should just take the best guy available in the draft this year? Also no because frankly, as mentioned, they just aren't worth the #1 pick :nonod:

- Which brings me to tThe biggest mistake people keep making, that being to act like if we don't take a quarterback number one this season, we'll never have another shot at a franchise QB again. Frankly, that's ridiculous. Not every franchise QB in the league now was taken at #1 overall. "But we won't be this high again" people say, to which I respond "you do now we're allowed to trade up, right?"

So again, my recommendation for this year is to use that number one pick on the best player available who can help us. I don't believe any of the quarterbacks fit that bill. Right now, I'd choose between Peterson or Dareus and probably settle on Peterson. Dareus might be very good, but I have a feeling Peterson will be special, and that's what you want at number one.

For quarterback this year, go to camp with Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike and a veteran pickup. The free agent market isn't great and likely will only provide a stopgap like Billy Volek. The better route to go - once the CBA is reached - will be to try to trade for someone like Carson Palmer or David Garrard. I could see either of them handling the QB spot well enough to give us a two or three year window wherein we can find and/or develop that franchise guy hopefully picked up next year.

If the Panthers do take one of this year's QBs, I'll support him and hope that they're right. Like I've said on many occasions, it wouldn't be the first time I've had to get behind a draft pick I didn't like (and I don't even have to go back any further than last April).

That's probably as clear and complete as I can make it.

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Scot:

So you in no way shape or form are looking at the next QB crop to see if there's someone that strikes your fancy? I mean we need NEED a quarterback. That's it period. As much as I like your stuff I just can't agree here. I mean having the same QBs (from a 2-14 team with Pike who was beaten out by St. Pierre) and Billy Volek from sounds feckin miserable. I will concede I'd be ok with acquiring somebody like Palmer through a trade, then we can be very patient with selecting a QB.

For quarterback this year, go to camp with Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike and a veteran pickup. The free agent market isn't great and likely will only provide a stopgap like Billy Volek. The better route to go - once the CBA is reached - will be to try to trade for someone like Carson Palmer or David Garrard. I could see either of them handling the QB spot well enough to give us a two or three year window wherein we can find and/or develop that franchise guy hopefully picked up next year.

edit: oh and btw, I'd totally be down with Peterson, Green, or Dareus

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Scot:

So you in no way shape or form are looking at the next QB crop to see if there's someone that strikes your fancy? I mean we need NEED a quarterback. That's it period. As much as I like your stuff I just can't agree here. I mean having the same QBs (from a 2-14 team with Pike who was beaten out by St. Pierre) and Billy Volek from sounds feckin miserable. I will concede I'd be ok with acquiring somebody like Palmer through a trade, then we can be very patient with selecting a QB.

Yes, we need a quarterback. I agree.

Tell me who, out of this draft, helps us this year.

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Have already said each of these things elsewhere, but will try to lay the whole thing out here...

- Our current situation is this: We have young prospects. What we lack is a veteran presence. I don't really see adding more youth to the equation as a helpful thing.

- That said, I would happily take the risk of adding more youth IF there were a quarterback that struck me as a special prospect. There isn't. Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Dalton...you see other guys just as good or better in every draft. Nobody in this bunch stands out. And none of them is worth the #1 pick.

- So then if there's not a guy worth the number one, why not take a flyer on a guy in a later round? See above. We've already got that (twice). Why get yet another one? There are other positions those picks could be better used on.

- People confuse "best quarterback in the draft" with "franchise quarterback". Those two terms are not interchangeable. At various times, Heath Shuler, David Carr, Tim Couch and JaMarcus Russell were all "the best quarterback available". But were they franchise quarterbacks? No. Not every draft has those, and this year is one of the ones that doesn't.

- Folks keep saying "we need offense". That's all well and good, but if you really want offense this year, drafting any of the current crop of quarterbacks isn't a good move because none of them can contribute right away. You'd be better off going AJ Green if that's what you really want (though for me, receiver is another position that doesn't need to get any younger).

- Are the guys that we already have question marks? Absolutely, but so are the guys in the draft. You don't back up question marks with other question marks. That's a recipe for disaster. To put it another way, you don't take project QBs at number one. A quarterback taken #1 overall should be a guy who, if needed, could contribute immediately. That guy just doesn't exist this season.

- And speaking of Clausen and Pike, people act like we already know they're worthless. Ditto Matt Moore. The truth is we don't know any of that because last year was such a boondoggle that it's not fair to judge anybody based solely on that. Disagree with me on that if you want, but Ron Rivera agrees, so you'll be fighting him on that point too. I have no influence on what the team decides, but he does.

- A side note on Moore. He's actually got more experience, connection and familiarity with this system than either of the other guys do. And when Hurney talks about him, he always refers to him as being "injured" last year. From everything that's been said, it seems fairly certain that Moore will get the chance to show he's worth keeping. What he does with that chance is up to him.

- Are there guys who are expected to be better available in next year's draft? Yes. Can we count on getting one of them? No. But does that mean that we should just take the best guy available in the draft this year? Also no because frankly, as mentioned, they just aren't worth the #1 pick :nonod:

- Which brings me to tThe biggest mistake people keep making, that being to act like if we don't take a quarterback number one this season, we'll never have another shot at a franchise QB again. Frankly, that's ridiculous. Not every franchise QB in the league now was taken at #1 overall. "But we won't be this high again" people say, to which I respond "you do now we're allowed to trade up, right?"

So again, my recommendation for this year is to use that number one pick on the best player available who can help us. I don't believe any of the quarterbacks fit that bill. Right now, I'd choose between Peterson or Dareus and probably settle on Peterson. Dareus might be very good, but I have a feeling Peterson will be special, and that's what you want at number one.

For quarterback this year, go to camp with Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike and a veteran pickup. The free agent market isn't great and likely will only provide a stopgap like Billy Volek. The better route to go - once the CBA is reached - will be to try to trade for someone like Carson Palmer or David Garrard. I could see either of them handling the QB spot well enough to give us a two or three year window wherein we can find and/or develop that franchise guy hopefully picked up next year.

If the Panthers do take one of this year's QBs, I'll support him and hope that they're right. Like I've said on many occasions, it wouldn't be the first time I've had to get behind a draft pick I didn't like (and I don't even have to go back any further than last April).

That's probably as clear and complete as I can make it.

I'm sorry but I actually do know that both clausen and pike are worthless.

just an FYI. that's why we need a QB

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Until we fix the most important position in Football today we will be at the bottom of our division imo...We are rebuilding (sad but true) might as well find our franchise QB in the process first things first when it comes to turning things around in Carolina.

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Scot:

Gabbert could potentially and its totally worth the risk imo

It works out sometimes, and others you get Alex Smith or JaWalrus

That's what it comes down to. You're not willing to take the risk with the top pick on a QB in a weaker than usual QB class, which makes sense. And its no question we are getting a FA QB or possibly someone through a trade. Whether we draft a QB or not, Clausen and a vet will be on this team.

In the end I'm open to all possibilities. I want to see the positives in all of these kids. Therefore, I'm not going to be disappointed instead excited in the end rather than pretend to support a guy I never wanted to begin with.

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