Jim Harbaugh on Cam Newton

[Dpantherman]

Oh hes just saying that so he can get first dibs on luck next year :prrr:

[tjmurray]

You mean like this evaluation??

or this one?

http://www.topnflnews.com/josh-freeman-nfl-draft-scouting-report/01/2010/

Beautiful post Teeray. Love it...

[jtnc]

You might as well add their HS records. Jimmy Clausen best QB ever.

Honestly JC is a fuging joke. It's an embarrassment and should never ever be talked about when talking about a pro prospect.

You are cheapening your argument by bringing it up. It shows you guys are desperate. That you need something to cling on to because Gabbert is mopping the floor with Cam and your little heart can't take it.

There are at least one or two good points to make about Cam left, you don't need to drag Super Highschool football records into it.

Gabbert is moping the floor with Cam Newton? really, Gabbert is nothing more than a hype machine. Poor accuracy, little footwork, can't take pressure(leaves the pocket)

Sound familiar to you?

[teeray]

You can look at tools but that's not what you are arguing. You are arguing that he won at the JC level and played well so he's not a one year wonder. Again, that's like me saying I won the championship in my flag football league and played well in D3 so I'm not a one year wonder either?

Jimmy Clausen also dominated HS so he's not even a 2 year wonder. He's got 6 years of awesomeness. So much more awesome than Cam.

I'm sure they are looking at the film, but it in no way shape or form doesn't make him a one year wonder.

I know you probably made all conference on your JC basketball team and you don't want me to discredit your accomplishments but that poo doesn't matter. No one cares about JC performances and records.

God I can't wait till you fukin leave after the draft

That's not what I am saying. I said in my first sentence that the GM's have tape of him during his time at Blinn. the comment about the NC was to show that he had a successful year. So he didn't struggle at Blinn then suddenly have one good season.

The only reason you guys have been worried about one hit wonders is bc you feel like there isn't enough film on Cam not the fact he won a NC one year.

Well you guys forget that there is two years of college film (and if you think JC is the same as High School you are literally to stupid to debate with. I realize it ain't the SEC though). There is a ton if value in that film. And you can certainly guage the amount of progression a guy makes from one year to the next.

I can take JC's high school tape and compare it to tape from ND and see where he improved or didn't improve.

[micnificent28]

I wonder did flacco douters argue that he was playing high school ball and not worthy of a first round pick?

[teeray]

And regardless of Blinn. 14 games are more than enough games to evaluate NFL tools. Stats don't matter remember TRD. So if even if he played a second year and struggled it would still be more about "tools" and how they translate to the NFL.

Most of these guys on tv and doing the mock drafts, don't watch more than 4 games of any one of these prospects. Yet they get paid a nice salary to go on tv and be "experts" If they can do that in 4 games imagine what an "expert" can do with 14 games.

[teeray]

God I can't wait till you fukin leave after the draft

I would be excited for someone to leave to if he was crushing me on a regular basis. :p

I'm kidding!!!! :thumbsup:

[mav1234]

I wonder did flacco douters argue that he was playing high school ball and not worthy of a first round pick?

flacco played more than one year at the D1 level, albeit FCS. There is a gigantic difference between JUCO and FCS.

plus nobody took Flacco #1 overall.

people keep bringing up these mid first rounders and going, "See, we should take Cam!" that's fine... if we were mid first round I might even agree.

[Jim Harbaugh]

Sorry I know we were all wanting another Newton thread :rolleyes:

I thought is was a funny quote and I agree with him so figured I would throw it out here:

Of course there is some stuff in there for Cam Haters to latch onto as well so should be fun for both sides

Of Andrew Luck I said:

On how good sophomore quarterback Andrew Luck is:

“He’s the best I’ve been around, pro or college. He’s just got no red flags about him whatsoever. He’s a really hard worker. He’s got a lot of talent and a great work ethic and I think he’s got a chance to be even better this year.”

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2010/08/13/stanford-football-continues-looking-for-national-recognition/

[teeray]

flacco played more than one year at the D1 level, albeit FCS. There is a gigantic difference between JUCO and FCS.

plus nobody took Flacco #1 overall.

people keep bringing up these mid first rounders and going, "See, we should take Cam!" that's fine... if we were mid first round I might even agree.

i was using it as an example of film study. Competition level doesn't really matter.

[mav1234]

i was using it as an example of film study. Competition level doesn't really matter.

was quoting the guy that was saying people weren't afraid of taking Flacco in the middle of the first because he didn't go to a FBS school.

you can obviously learn some things from his Blinn footage, but I would rather it have come from him playing at the same place for more than a year.

since I think some people (not saying you Teeray, understand what you are saying about Blinn film being usuable, tho I dunno how usuable it is) are confused, Blinn wasn't some desolate wasteland before Cam Newton got there. Their quarterback transferred to Utah (Terrance Cain) and he was the league MVP and first team offense QB, neither of which Cam got in 2009. Cain's numbers, passing wise, were better than Cam Newton's. This is not to diminish what Cam did because he took his team to a championship and that is what matters, I am just trying to give some perspective that this was not some terrible team he inherited.

[CAVSS]

If they are able to do it, they will have broken a 16 year trend.

That will be HUGE, but alas I wait...

Stupid Chargers not giving up on QB's after that Leaf debacle. :rolleyes:

Seriously it is only a 16 year trend because we gave up for 16 years. Unless you count trying to develop qb's that no other team gave two sh*ts about.

2nd round and lower QB's have a ridiculously high bust rate. That is all we have had to work with. (Carr doesn't count he was ruined before we got him)

[TheRealDeal]

I wonder did flacco douters argue that he was playing high school ball and not worthy of a first round pick?

What are douters?

Stats don't matter remember TRD. So if even if he played a second year and struggled it would still be more about "tools" and how they translate to the NFL.

You are correct for once and it has become painfully obvious that he is very far behind the other QBs when it comes to this.

I fully expect you to get behind Gabbert as the #1 pick and stop this nonsense with Cam. Of course I will be there to tell you why he won't or shouldn't be the #1 pick and then one day you will open your little eyes and realize we aren't taking any of these mediocre QBs

[CAVSS]

flacco played more than one year at the D1 level, albeit FCS. There is a gigantic difference between JUCO and FCS.

plus nobody took Flacco #1 overall.

people keep bringing up these mid first rounders and going, "See, we should take Cam!" that's fine... if we were mid first round I might even agree.

I only see this if there is no salary cap. Ir the rookie cap is in place then 1st overall and 7th overall means nada in terms of football. In the minds of the fans is a different thing entirely I guess. No rookie cap and my "draft a QB boat" starts to tip a bit.:(