Jim Harbaugh on Cam Newton

[teeray]

You're taking a defensive side but I am not attacking. You insinuate I suggest giving up but the point was it hasn't been accomplished so let me quote myself:

It's a legitimate concern of mine involving the ability of this FO to develop a QB as raw as Cam. It's a concern not something I am saying they can't or should not do.

Not everyone hates Cam, and this isn't a conspiracy no need to twist my words. I am sure there are teams who have waited even longer for their stable elite QB.

Our FO isn't the one coaching these guys up. And using a sample size of 1 (Collins) isn't very compelling.

Perhaps your Worries are misplaced. Perhaps you should be more concerned about the fact that we have only used one 1st round pick on a QB which is why none have developed.

After all over the last 10 years guys taken after the 20th pick in the draft have a success rate of about 10%. That isn't our fault for not developing QBs it is the FO fault for not getting QBs with high level talent to be developed

[micnificent28]

Or a vet who already knows the system they want to run and can help with the teaching (like a Palmer or a Volek would).

I can agree with the "fear of failure" thing to a point, but I'll take an educated guess over a flat out gamble every time. No team gambles more in the draft than the Raiders. And it's easy to say "let's take a chance" when it's not your job on the line if the "chance" doesn't pan out.

Your job is still on the line with dareus and peterson. Say you take one of those players and there just average. Well look over here at the bills and the just selected a pro bowl QB you passed on. does the owner not look at the coach and say maybe,i told you so. I know the chips could fall the other way but i think the reward out weighs the risk. New coaches usually only have a 2-3 year window to show success.

Either way this pick is a gamble for ron and his staff.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm so sick of this lets not draft a quarterback in the first round crap. I've never seen a franchise thats just happy with other teams leftovers and hand-me-downs. With the rookie cap all but promised, the risk isn't what it use to be back in the day. One bust in the first round isn't going to set us back 5 years as much as everrett brown didn't set us back when we"drafted" him.

The rewards far out weigh the risk. If there a 50-50 chance that this pick will have us set at the most important position in football for the next 12 years,why not take it?

John Fox doesn't work here anymore, so that philosophy is gone.

That still doesn't mean it's the right call to draft one of the guys that's available at the top this season, though.

At varying times, David Carr, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell and Heath Shuler have all been "the best quarterback available" in the draft. That alone didn't make them good options.

[Pox 08]

I know, I know. Your plan to keep this franchise from being set back is to just sit around and pray Clausen isn't as sh*tty as everyone already knows he is.

Or get some pooty washed up FA who was cut from another team bc he wasn't good enough there.

Or waste our future drafts to hopefully find a career back up that is secretly a franchise QB.

That might work too :rolleyes:

I agree. The rookie year is more than enough to tell if a qb is going to turn out good or bad. F^ck developing them. If they can't show potential in that first year, then there's no hope for them. :cheers2:

[teeray]

Or a vet who already knows the system they want to run and can help with the teaching (like a Palmer or a Volek would).

I can agree with the "fear of failure" thing to a point, but I'll take an educated guess over a flat out gamble every time. No team gambles more in the draft than the Raiders.

And yeah, it's easy to say "let's take a chance" when it's not your job on the line if the "chance" doesn't pan out.

I'd add, as mentioned elsewhere, that I don't buy the notion the Panthers are afraid of taking chances. Marty Hurney makes more draft day trades than most other guys in his job, including for guys like Armanti Edwards.

The reason why we haven't "gambled" on a franchise QB for several years was that John Fox didn't believe in the franchise QB model. It had nothing to do with a lack of guts.

And no team gambles less than the Bills so what's the point??

Every QB ever taken has been taking a chance. Peyton Manning had happy feet and played poor against better competition, Roethlisberger came from a spread offense, Rivers had a poor throwing motion, Sam Bradford had injury issues, Mark Sanchez only had one good year, no one knew how Vick's abilities would translate to the NFL, Matt Ryan turned the ball over too much, Freeman came from a spread offense and had accuracy issues, etc.

If you are waiting for a stone cold lock in the draft at QB you will never draft one.

[Mr. Scot]

Your job is still on the line with dareus and peterson. Say you take one of those players and there just average. Well look over here at the bills and the just selected a pro bowl QB you passed on. does the owner not look at the coach and say maybe,i told you so. I know the chips could fall the other way but i think the reward out weighs the risk. New coaches usually only have a 2-3 year window to show success.

Either way this pick is a gamble for ron and his staff.

Then why would you pick a guy who may not be ready to contribute till two or three years down the road?

But for the record, I don't buy that the panthers organization will dump Rivera that quickly unless he's an absolute disaster.

He'd have to be Marty Mornhinweg bad to get dumped that quick.

[micnificent28]

And no team gambles less than the Bills so what's the point??

Every QB ever taken has been taking a chance. Peyton Manning had happy feet and played poor against better competition, Roethlisberger came from a spread offense, Rivers had a poor throwing motion, Sam Bradford had injury issues, Mark Sanchez only had one good year, no one knew how Vick's abilities would translate to the NFL, Matt Ryan turned the ball over too much, Freeman came from a spread offense and had accuracy issues, etc.

If you are waiting for a stone cold lock in the draft at QB you will never draft one.

:iagree:

[Mr. Scot]

And no team gambles less than the Bills so what's the point??

Every QB ever taken has been taking a chance. Peyton Manning had happy feet and played poor against better competition, Roethlisberger came from a spread offense, Rivers had a poor throwing motion, Sam Bradford had injury issues, Mark Sanchez only had one good year, no one knew how Vick's abilities would translate to the NFL, Matt Ryan turned the ball over too much, Freeman came from a spread offense and had accuracy issues, etc.

If you are waiting for a stone cold lock in the draft at QB you will never draft one.

Nobody's perfect, but I want better odds than the guys that are available this year offer.

[Highlandfire]

And no team gambles less than the Bills so what's the point??

Every QB ever taken has been taking a chance. Peyton Manning had happy feet and played poor against better competition, Roethlisberger came from a spread offense, Rivers had a poor throwing motion, Sam Bradford had injury issues, Mark Sanchez only had one good year, no one knew how Vick's abilities would translate to the NFL, Matt Ryan turned the ball over too much, Freeman came from a spread offense and had accuracy issues, etc.

If you are waiting for a stone cold lock in the draft at QB you will never draft one.

But you don't reach with overall the class has more question marks than most QB classes.

[Highlandfire]

Nobody's perfect, but I want better odds than the guys that are available this year offer.

Exactly. I am praying we trade down. Need the picks and can still get really good talent with a slightly lower pick.

[micnificent28]

Then why would you pick a guy who may not be ready to contribute till two or three years down the road?

But for the record, I don't buy that the panthers organization will dump Rivera that quickly unless he's an absolute disaster.

He'd have to be Marty Mornhinweg bad to get dumped that quick.

Not saying JR is like that but its the nature of the beast. look no futher than mike singletary,he was everybody's favorite hard nose coach year one and was gone soon after.

depending on which quarterback we would select,I believe they could contribute(in a small role) from week 1. Why couldn't someone with cams talent be given 5-10 snaps in the offense that was ran at auburn? Why not let him get his feet wet while learning behind a vet? No i don't think any of these quarterback should start week 1,but contribute i think that they can.

[teeray]

Nobody's perfect, but I want better odds than the guys that are available this year offer.

You can't put odds on a guy bc you have no idea how he will turn out. No one is guaranteed to succeed or fail no matter what offense they come from or what their background is.

You measure these guys on their abilities and Newton, Gabbert, and Mallett have a ton of ability.

They are all worthy of the number one pick. I know this bc they are all being considered for the number one pick.

Read Josh Freeman's scouting report from ESPN:

In terms of natural ability you couldn't ask for anything more in a QB prospect. At 6-foot-6, Freeman is tall enough to scan the field from the pocket. He's big enough at 248 pounds to bounce off would-be tacklers and is mobile enough to pick up yards with his feet when nothing's available downfield. The concern we have is his ability to absorb an NFL offense and adjust to the speed and complexity of NFL defenses. There couldn't be more of a red flag for a quarterback when it comes to film evaluation than that.

Sound familiar?? You can't look into the future and just know what is going to happen. All these guys have the tools to be great NFL QBs.

[Stumpy]

Read Josh Freeman's scouting report from ESPN:

Sound familiar?? You can't look into the future and just know what is going to happen. All these guys have the tools to be great NFL QBs.

If that is supposed to sound like Cam, they must have left out the part about the bad mechanics and terrible accuracy.

[teeray]

If that is supposed to sound like Cam, they must have left out the part about the bad mechanics and terrible accuracy.

You mean like this evaluation??

At the 17 slot the Bucs trade up and make a poor choice for Kansas State QB Josh Freeman. Yes he has a powerful arm, but his accuracy and decision making is suspect. Grade F

or this one?

Accuracy was abysmal in junior year … Locks on to receivers and shows below-average field vision … Wildly inconsistent; runs hot and cold … Questionable leadership … Intangibles will go under the microscope by pro scouts who can talk to KSU players and coaches.

http://www.topnflnews.com/josh-freeman-nfl-draft-scouting-report/01/2010/