Are we at the point we need to rebuild or just 're tool'?

[Highlandfire]

What does this team really need? Is it so much we can't add a few pieces and compete? I say it isn't that bad.

First off this OL was considered one of the best in the NFL before last year. Injuries devastated it. No OL = crap run game and passing game. the good news is backups got playing time, the better news is we are going to get those injured guys back so it should be a top OL again.

What else do we need on Offense to compete. QB? Yeah but not a rookie, he is going to sit 1-2 years. We need a veteran that has a few years left or a young vet to just take over. I am inclined to see if we could get Orton or Kolb. Lets see what Chud can do with either of these guys. No matter what you think of them both are an upgrade to what we have and still haven't maxed out their potential.

Running game is there if the OL is healthy, WR's developed nicely last year. We have an aged upgrade at TE which should help and allow our OC to work with the current guys or even draft one to goom.

Defense? 18th last year due to DL play. We have DE's, we need DT help. That can be found in the 2nd round of the draft or so along with a FA pickup (yes i know, we need a 2nd so trade down in the first to get one). Linebacker is good if we get guys back from injury and the secondary isn't horrible but could use upgrades there.

I feel coaching is the #1 thing that has hamstrung us and I believe we have greatly upgraded that.

This team isn't as bad off as fans would like to think. We have seen Miami go from a horrible team to playoffs in one season. We do things right there is no reason this team can't start contending for the playoffs by the end of the 2011 season and definitely 2012.

[Primetime 89]

I agree with you on the coaching thing.. it's always felt like Davidson just couldn't figure out when to throw passes into the running mix.

[teeray]

Kolb is costing at LEAST 1 first round pick. They set the price yesterday. To me trading is more expensive and more detrimental than drafting a QB.

FA QBs generally are no good which is why they are FA in the first place.

If you really want to get really good as soon as possible you do so by drafting a QB. It may not pay off the first year but look at what guys like Freeman and Ryan did in their second years. Short term loss for long term gain.

That is how you build the QB position.

[Jackofalltrades]

QB and DT are really the only places we need drastic improvement, rest of the team was pretty solid.

[PackPanther]

the team is pretty solid and with some decent coaching hopefully we can improve just based on that. I feel good about most of the team. I would put our needs in this order

1.QB-dire, not saying we need a new qb just better play out of them

2.DT-dire, we really have no talent in the trenches. We have a lot of hustle guys who dont have the talent to be much more than a 3rd tackle

3.CB-somewhat needy. We played pretty well with only 2 starting caliber CB's (marshall and the captain) however I would like captain to say in the nickel and bring in a new guy if we lose marshall.

4. OT-somewhat needy, we had Garry Williams starting more than half the year which just shouldnt happen. I would like some depth there.

[Highlandfire]

Kolb is costing at LEAST 1 first round pick. They set the price yesterday. To me trading is more expensive and more detrimental than drafting a QB.

FA QBs generally are no good which is why they are FA in the first place.

If you really want to get really good as soon as possible you do so by drafting a QB. It may not pay off the first year but look at what guys like Freeman and Ryan did in their second years. Short term loss for long term gain.

That is how you build the QB position.

Philly is going with a guy they got from Prison, a free agent. Chicago made the playoffs with a QB from a trade. What about Matt Schaub? I'd take that kid in a heart beat.

I know Philly wants a first, doesn't mean they will get as high as they want. That said, trade for Orton. you forgot one way to get a good QB is for one team to be stupid which I feel the Broncos are. Pat Bowlen used to be one of the better owners but the decisions made the last 4 years or so leads me to believe he is losing it. Now he and elway started shopping Orton then pulled back before the CBA thingy blew up.

Lastly you site Freeman and Ryan, guys in our division. The entire QB class this year is rated lower than Ryan when he was coming out Imho and might at best be freeman's class. NONE are worth #1 period.

[teeray]

Philly is going with a guy they got from Prison, a free agent. Chicago made the playoffs with a QB from a trade. What about Matt Schaub? I'd take that kid in a heart beat.

I know Philly wants a first, doesn't mean they will get as high as they want. That said, trade for Orton. you forgot one way to get a good QB is for one team to be stupid which I feel the Broncos are. Pat Bowlen used to be one of the better owners but the decisions made the last 4 years or so leads me to believe he is losing it. Now he and elway started shopping Orton then pulled back before the CBA thingy blew up.

Lastly you site Freeman and Ryan, guys in our division. The entire QB class this year is rated lower than Ryan when he was coming out Imho and might at best be freeman's class. NONE are worth #1 period.

According to Peter King of SI they already have an offer in place whenever the CBA is finalized. But they want a higher draft pick than what has laready been offered.

The two FA that have been successful were pro bowlers before they were free agents and have weird circumstances that led to their free agency. Who is out their this year that were as good as Brees or Vick before becoming FA's??

I would never have made the trade Chicago made to get Cutler. They gave up way too many draft picks in addition to Kyle Orton. And at times Chicago won despite Jay Cutler instead of bc of him.

Saying none are worth number 1 is just an opinion that means nothing. You can't compare how a QB would be rated in other drafts because it is unquantifiable. You also have no idea what this draft class will look like in 5 years. The only way that this becomes a "fact" is if no one is taken. Otherwise it is just your opinion that does not seem to be shared with most NFL scouts.

Maybe Cam Newton, Gabbert, and Mallett all turn out to be pro bowlers. And Stanzi, Dalton, and Ponder become legit starters in the NFL.

If that happened 5 years from now this could be touted as the greatest QB class in history.

So unless you are a psychic you have no idea what these guy's value is or is not. Just an opinion.

[MHS831]

QB and DT are really the only places we need drastic improvement, rest of the team was pretty solid.

Absolutely. I think we have to have a CB, DT, DT, QB. It would be nice to add a DE, WR, OL depth. With a trade down, we can.

[Sword]

Rookie Qbs only sit on the bench for half a season-1 year maximum..i don't know where this 2-3 years comes from. If our team around them is good as you say it will be easier to have them learn from experience then a clipboard.

[CRA]

Rookie Qbs only sit on the bench for half a season-1 year maximum..i don't know where this 2-3 years comes from. If our team around them is good as you say it will be easier to have them learn from experience then a clipboard.

2-3 yrs is what teams use to prefer "back in da day". The NFL has changed and you have to be ready to go in at some point your rookie year and at least prove you belong in the NFL. It doesn't take a half decade to rebuild now......and QBs aren't allowed to sit. It is a NOW league in just about every aspect.

[Cyberjag]

On defense, we need a solid DT or two, and possibly a CB. On offense, we already have a new QB Coach and Offensive Coordinator, which were our biggest needs last season.

Right now we're another 7-9 to 9-7 team if we stand pat and get lucky where injuries are concerned.

[Highlandfire]

On defense, we need a solid DT or two, and possibly a CB. On offense, we already have a new QB Coach and Offensive Coordinator, which were our biggest needs last season.

Right now we're another 7-9 to 9-7 team if we stand pat and get lucky where injuries are concerned.

Exactly. Coaching has cleaned up our biggest issues. Do we need a QB upgrade, sure but it can wait.

[Highlandfire]

2-3 yrs is what teams use to prefer "back in da day". The NFL has changed and you have to be ready to go in at some point your rookie year and at least prove you belong in the NFL. It doesn't take a half decade to rebuild now......and QBs aren't allowed to sit. It is a NOW league in just about every aspect.

And that is why QB's fail, they are pressed into service before ready. MONEY is why they are on the field faster than normal. When you guarantee 20 mill to a kid he gets on the field NOW.

ALL of these QB's need to sit at least one, most likely 2 years and go the 'Aaron Rogers' route as for as development. I bet if teams went back to that old way of doing things you would see more teams with successful QB play.

[Murph]

We need to re-win