Source: Panthers leaning to stick w/Clausen & pick Dareus

[CRA]

I don't think any player in Panthers history has been hated more than Jimmy Clausen... Not even Kerry Collins...

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Clausen isn't that hated.....he just flat out sucked. The issue here is normally when we watch slop (like Carr in 07) we all agree that it was garbage play. The reason Clausen appears to get so much heat is that since he is so young and there was a lot more blind hope put into him (and that he was this steal in the draft).....that his crap play gets this crazy spin b/c a certain percentage of fans don't won't him to be what he most likely appears to be.

I think Clausen sucks just as bad as anyone.....but I actually think Clausen the person is a lot more likeable than when he was drafted. I also think Carr appeared to be a good guy. I mean, it would not be a shock if you hung out w/ Clausen and Steve Smith for a prolonged period of time that you would much prefer Clausen's company.

I talk trash about Clausen's play on a message board. I would never boo Clausen on a field at this stage. No reason to. Wouldn't have booed him at all last season.

[Marguide]

If the panthers were going into the season with the idea of sucking another year, I would much rather them suck and draft luck, then draft a qb this year, suck and have a second year gabbert or newton start. Because, both ways we will suck another year, but luck is more likely to be a great nfl qb then anyone in this draft.

Hey, let's not take any chances. To be safe, we should just forfeit all of our games next year and we are assured of getting Luck. Unless he jilts us again and stays in school. But think about it...if we are prepared to lose every game for the next two years, we are certain to hold the rights to Luck.

:party:

Unbelievable! :mad2:

Guess what... All those guys are douchebags...

Then let's just bring back Jake, because he sure was a nice guy. We'll never have to worry about good ole Jake getting in trouble.

[teeray]

I don't think any player in Panthers history has been hated more than Jimmy Clausen... Not even Kerry Collins...

I guess that comes with the youth of the franchise and the inexperience of the fan base... Ask a long time Bucs fan or a Browns fan how it feels to be mediocre if not just plain outright horrible for years, and then get back to me about how the Panthers are SOOOOOOOO horrible with Jimmy Clausen or Matt Moore under center...

Personally, I'm on Hurney's side of this one. You don't make such an investment in a player and then get rid of him the next year.

Bring in Newton or someone else into this situation and you make it worse. Say that move doesn't pan out... You gonna draft Luck next year too?

Meanwhile, while you stick your head in the bucket full of water hoping to pull out an apple, the rest of the offense isn't getting any younger or more talented, and the defense still gives up thousands of yards to average opposition...

I personally don't hate Clausen. I am usually one of the ones that defend the QB against criticism. As a matter of fact I was probably the very last person off the Jake Delhomme bandwagon. I still think we made a mistake by cutting him.

Clausen was at times completely inept at the QB position last year. It wasn't all his fault but he did nothing to give me the confidence that he would ever be a good QB. A big part of it is because he was mechanically bad last year. If he was 6'5 he could get away with a release point near his shoulder. But he is 6'2. With where he is throwing the ball he cannot make the intermediate to short throws across the middle of the field. Look where he is releasing the ball in these photos:

You cannot throw from there when you are as short as he is. He throws from here when he is trying to put high RPM's on his throw. He has to change everything about how he throws a football. That is not easy to do.

If he can't use the middle of the field everything he throws will be toward the sideline which is an inherently more difficult pass to be accurate with.

I would rather have a 6'6 guy with footwork issues than a 6'1 guy with release point issues any day of the week

[CRA]

Personally, I'm on Hurney's side of this one. You don't make such an investment in a player and then get rid of him the next year.

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We didn't make such an investment in him....he was just mid 2nd round QB. In terms of QBs that isn't an investment really at all....

generally, 2nd and 6th round QBs flat out don't work out. That is why they get the type deals Clausen and Pike got. Also, this is Rivera's team now.....you can't just have Jimmy Clausen and expect him to fit into any offense. New coaches always bring in new QBs......they don't just decide to use the left over 2nd and 6th round guys who showed zilch to date.

[cdandi1]

Hey, let's not take any chances. To be safe, we should just forfeit all of our games next year and we are assured of getting Luck. Unless he jilts us again and stays in school. But think about it...if we are prepared to lose every game for the next two years, we are certain to hold the rights to Luck.

:party:

Unbelievable! :mad2:

Then let's just bring back Jake, because he sure was a nice guy. We'll never have to worry about good ole Jake getting in trouble.

Im not saying I want to suck, but Id rather suck with the proposition of becoming really good, than suck with the proposition of being nothing but mediocre.

[Marguide]

Im not saying I want to suck, but Id rather suck with the proposition of becoming really good, than suck with the proposition of being nothing but mediocre.

I know you don't, and I apologize for using your post as an example. However, you can't pass a single day on these forums without people dragging out Luck.

He's gone, he made his choice. No matter how much any of us like him, he cannot be part of any equation regarding the Panthers.

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

I know you don't, and I apologize for using your post as an example. However, you can't pass a single day on these forums without people dragging out Luck.

He's gone, he made his choice. No matter how much any of us like him, he cannot be part of any equation regarding the Panthers.

And I hope no other QB is apart of any equation with the Panthers this year.

[Mr. Scot]

Plus Scot will be on here in a second to remind us that there is no way these reporters know what our intentions are at this point because we don't know what our intentions are at this point. We haven't finished evaluating everyone yet (and Scot is right).

Actually, what I was going to point out was that "league source" as often as not turns out to be someone's agent.

Can't be Clausen's regular agent though, as that was Gary Wichard (who just passed away).

I still believe Clausen will get a chance, but I'd stop short of "sticking with him", especially if they mean as a starter.

[Swarly]

Not sure if anyone else is dealing with this, but are any of ya'll unable to rate threads? Every thread that contains an argument against Cam is rated 1 star and it says "You have already rated this thread." when I haven't..

[carpanfan96]

I'll be happy with who ever the Panthers decide to draft, I trust Hurney and the current scouting staff to get a solid-great player in the first round. Personally I don't see how the team skips QB in the draft.

Netwon and Gabbert are both worthy of the pick.

Sorry to the Luck lovers, but they both have just as much of a chance at succeeding in the NFL as does Luck...same chance at busting as well. Drafting a QB is always going to be a Gamble....doesn't matter how much scouting or tape watching you do, anything can happen.

As for the drafting a DT option, (which I'm all for if the team thinks that's the best option) Just as much of a chance to bust as a QB. First round numbers but them both around 44 % bust route over the last 10 seasons or so.

Nothing really worth it in FA at QB (long term) that fits the Offensive scheme that Chud wants to put into place. I don't see JC or Pike fitting into Chud's offense either. (I still think that JC has what it takes to be a good QB, he just doesn't fit the system here) Moore could be an option at qb though, so if the "CBA is finished before the draft" here's an option for the team.

Trade JC for a 3rd rounder if possible, I think Smith gets traded as well for a 3rd to a different team. Take two of the thirds and move into the second round. So that should leave the team with these picks after comp picks have been added.

1st

2nd

3rd - comp pick

4th

5th

6th

7th - comp pick

7th - comp pick

Draft the player who best fits the biggest need on the team at #1, the biggest need is QB. Newton and Gabbert have the tools to be franchise QB's in the NFL. Hell Gabbert has been considered a top 5-10 prospect for a while now. (even before Luck withdrew his name)

1st rounder - QB, Cam Newton

2nd rounder - TE, Kyle Rudolph, maybe DT if a good one is there (maybe liuget or paea)

3rd rounder - DT, Drake Nevis

4th rounder - OG/C, John Moffitt

5th rounder - CB, Richard Sherman or CB, Buster Skrine

6th rounder - DT, Anthony Gray

7th rounders - take the BPA at either CB or WR

IN Fa pick up a vet qb that will fit the system for at least the first half of the coming season or for all of it.

Pick up a FA CB and WR, fill in the rest of the team as needed

Keep Our the core intact by signing Kalil, Williams, TD, Anderson..ext and get Beason the deal he deserves

[micnificent28]

I'll be happy with who ever the Panthers decide to draft, I trust Hurney and the current scouting staff to get a solid-great player in the first round. Personally I don't see how the team skips QB in the draft.

Netwon and Gabbert are both worthy of the pick.

Sorry to the Luck lovers, but they both have just as much of a chance at succeeding in the NFL as does Luck...same chance at busting as well. Drafting a QB is always going to be a Gamble....doesn't matter how much scouting or tape watching you do, anything can happen.

As for the drafting a DT option, (which I'm all for if the team thinks that's the best option) Just as much of a chance to bust as a QB. First round numbers but them both around 44 % bust route over the last 10 seasons or so.

Nothing really worth it in FA at QB (long term) that fits the Offensive scheme that Chud wants to put into place. I don't see JC or Pike fitting into Chud's offense either. (I still think that JC has what it takes to be a good QB, he just doesn't fit the system here) Moore could be an option at qb though, so if the CBA is struck here's an option for the team.

Trade JC for a 3rd rounder if possible, I think Smith gets traded as well for a 3rd to a different team. Take two of the thirds and move into the second round. So that should leave the team with these picks after comp picks have been added.

1st

2nd

3rd - comp pick

4th

5th

6th

7th - comp pick

7th - comp pick

Draft the player who best fits the biggest need on the team at #1, the biggest need is QB. Newton and Gabbert have the tools to be franchise QB's in the NFL. Hell Gabbert has been considered a top 5-10 prospect for a while now. (even before Luck withdrew his name)

1st rounder - Cam Newton

2nd rounder - Kyle Rudolph, maybe DT if a good one is there (maybe liuget or paea)

3rd rounder - Drake Nevis

4th rounder - John Moffitt

5th rounder - Richard Sherman or Buster Skrine

6th rounder - Anthony Gray

7th rounders - take the BPA at either CB or WR

IN Fa pick up a vet qb that will fit the system for at least the first half of the coming season or for all of it.

Pick up a FA CB and WR, fill in the rest of the team as needed

Keep Our the core intact by signing Kalil, Williams, TD, Anderson..ext and get Beason the deal he deserves

without a CBA we can't trade players. I dout it'll be finished by draft time so what we got is what we got. I agree with your first round selection. the draft is much deeper at dt and cb than it is at QB.

[Mr. Scot]

I've been checking this site out the past few weeks and I am very curious. When Carolina draft Cam Newton(because when it is said and done he will be the quarterback of the Panthers next season. Sorry Mr. Scot, Madhatter, etc.), are you Anti-Cam gentlemen going to root for him or hope he fails so you can be right? Once this draft process is over, will you put your beliefs aside and embrace him as part of the Panther family? Because quite frankly I think it will divide the fan base.

Frankly, that's a pretty stupid question.

Nobody on here is going to hope Newton fails just because they weren't in favor of the pick. And Newton (or Gabbert or Mallett, for that matter) wouldn't be the first Panthers pick I disagreed with, and won't be the last. If you want a recent example, look at the first pick we made last April.

Much like Deshaun Foster and Deangelo did. He should start, no he should start. Much like Deangelo & J-Stew did for a minute. I don't have to mention any names but there is a certain individual who hates for Deangelo Williams to do well, because he loves Jonathan Stewart so much. You couldn't be a fan of a certain player without your fellow panther fan swooping in and demeaning that player to build his favorite player up. Well DeAngelo did well, but Stewart needs touches, or vice versa. the whole thing is just stupid, and I'll be damned it is going to rear it's ugly head again when Cam Newton comes to town.

Actually, none of the guys you just mentioned started as rookies. They played, but didn't start, and they weren't quarterbacks.

The kid won't have a chance with some fans, and that is unfortunate. You have some lame talking about making anti-newton shirts??? Why??? It is great to have fun and debate who the Panthers should pick, but some of you guys attitude or negativity in regards to Cam Newton is absolutely pitiful!!! Some of you rather have the worst starting qb this franchise have ever seen back as a starter rather than Cam Newton be part of this team. Many of you have never seen Blaine Gabbert play in your life, but at the same time your positive he is the right choice because some scout or talking head told you he is more fluid in his drop. So is Alex Smith, so was Tim Couch...

Have you all thought and wondered why Gabbert held his pro day indoors, when it was reported that the wind was gusty in Columbia the day of his pro-day? Have you all thought to yourself why would Mel Kiper call Cam Newton a one year wonder, and Jimmy Clausen never had consecutive good seasons at Notre Dame. He was HORRIBLE his freshman and sophmore years. Speaking of Jimmy Clausen I want you all to watch this

, and tell me what does his high school footage have in common with his professional footage...

When it is all said and done we all are Panther fans, and we want this team to do well and be amongst the elite. I hope when the real #2 get in town people will stand behind him and not against him. Get your black home Cam Newton jersey Mr. Scot. I can't wait to see that avatar with you sporting it and smiling from ear to ear.

Not likely. I don't buy player jerseys.

Again, what we have here is the silliness of thinking that drafting Newton at #1 is the only avenue we have for addressing the quarterback position. It isn't, especially not if you want improvement as soon as next season. If we do draft Newton or any of the other guys for that matter (a legitimate possibility) you don't want them starting their rookie year.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't think any player in Panthers history has been hated more than Jimmy Clausen... Not even Kerry Collins...

I guess that comes with the youth of the franchise and the inexperience of the fan base... Ask a long time Bucs fan or a Browns fan how it feels to be mediocre if not just plain outright horrible for years, and then get back to me about how the Panthers are SOOOOOOOO horrible with Jimmy Clausen or Matt Moore under center...

Personally, I'm on Hurney's side of this one. You don't make such an investment in a player and then get rid of him the next year.

Bring in Newton or someone else into this situation and you make it worse. Say that move doesn't pan out... You gonna draft Luck next year too?

Meanwhile, while you stick your head in the bucket full of water hoping to pull out an apple, the rest of the offense isn't getting any younger or more talented, and the defense still gives up thousands of yards to average opposition...

Agreed, with the exception that I don't think Clausen is necessarily the most hated.

He's hated, for sure, but Lord knows we've seen tons of venom thrown at just about every QB.

[teeray]

Actually, what I was going to point out was that "league source" as often as not turns out to be someone's agent.

Can't be Clausen's regular agent though, as that was Gary Wichard (who just passed away).

I still believe Clausen will get a chance, but I'd stop short of "sticking with him", especially if they mean as a starter.

Yeah but do you think anyone's agent at this point knows who is where on our board?? Doubtful. That is A LOT of leverage and knowledge for anyone's agent to be in the know. They are more likely the last to know what direction a team is going.