What is this UPSIDE that makes Cam better than Gabbert?

[CarolinaVeins]

Guess who was said to be most pro-ready/pro-style last year other than Bradford? Yep, Jimmy. He didn't look too good now did he? Just sayin'. It means next to nothing unless the kid never did anything other than the spread in college. Then again, The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't look half bad with the Broncos.

You know, it's funny. Most of the "Cam hate" comes because of the media love affair with talking about, and trashing this kid. If very little had been said about him this season (like so with Blaine Who?), and his MONSTER EVIL CRIMINAL ISSUES (lol) were send to a back page by the media, then no one would even question his desire to study film, his role as a leader, and his desire to be a superstar. Sure, that last one is on him, but if you sheep wouldn't slurp up every ounce of media jizz on the kid, you'd let his performance be your judge. But damn that laptop stealin', money hungry, limelight wanting, dad-is-a-crook, punk! He'll never study tape! He'll be makin' it rain instead!

:hurray:

[monstercat]

I'm tired of reading about Ryan Leaf around here. If you're going to compare any of these QB's to Leaf, Mallett is the guy you should be talking about. Forget about the drug rumors and pay attention to his demeanor when he's being interviewed. I just keep getting the feeling that there is anger and discontent there and it's waiting for a reason to come out.

Newton, however, always has a smile on his face even when he's being criticized, and he has already proven that adversity won't affect his performance much, if at all. He is nothing like Ryan Leaf..

[rodeo]

Gabbert may be as fast as Cam, he just does most of his running backwards in a panic.

[MHS831]

You're the one who's blind when it comes to Cam Newton. Obviously you either don't see, or don't want to see that his production on the football field was much higher than Gabberts' and that he was much more important to his team's success than Gabbert was.

It's just too damn obvious that Newton is a playmaker when the game is on the line.

This is not college football. Again, I will state the obvious:

Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick, Vince Young, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Alex Smith were ALL better college QBs than Phillip Rivers, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, and Warren Moon. So don't use college stats to convince me of NFL capabilities. It is a stupid argument.

Why? They ran more and were better suited for the college game. Why do the lesser athletes do better in the pros? You tell me. Which group of QBs would you rather have? If you take Gabbert and Newton and had to place them in a category above, you know who goes where, so don't call me blind. You, sir, refuse to look at the history of the NFL and apply it to an understanding of the QB position. Cam was a great college QB for a year. But he didn't beat out The Golden Calf of Bristol, and he is certainly no lock for the NFL hall of fame.

[ncmonzta]

Tony Pike had 29 TDs his senior year. He threw for 2500+ yards in a spread offense.

Take a look at Ryan Leaf vs Peyton Manning:

QB rating:

Leaf 107

Manning 101

Passing Yards:

Manning 3800 (more attempted passes)

Leaf 3600

TD passes:

Manning 36

Leaf 33

Interceptions:

Leaf 10

Manning 11

How much can it matter?

So, in-game stats mean very little. In college you can succeed by going on pre-snap reads, staring down WRs, running every time the first read is covered, having a slow release, etc. These characterstics relate to failure in the NFL.

The combine and pro days look at these fundamentals. Along with the interviews and background checks, they are more important than what happened in college.

I'm sure those stats had nothing to do with them being the top picks. You can't compare Cam to neither just watch the damn tape. I dont know what else to tell you QB experts, but if Gabbert looks like a better Qb to you I'll let you believe that.smh

[teeray]

Take a look over the past ten to twenty years history of Heisman and National Championship winners, then come back and tell me again how well that translates into the NFL.

I'll ask the question you didn't answer again:

Explain to me why I shouldn't be concerned about what a guy who could only manage 50% accuracy with no defense on the field will be like when he's up against pro level defenders?

(and again, the "not his own receivers" argument is stupid, so don't bother with that one)

You guys think Newton is good enough. I don't. Like I said, it's all judgment call. Mine is different from yours. We'll eventually find out who was right.

I've been wrong before - and am comfortable with that - but I've been right before too.

Are you serious?? I have only talked about tis at least half a dozen times. When you break down his throws he only had 3/4 bad throws. He was more like 17-21. But dipshits keep saying "he was only 11-21 at the combine". That doesn't mean sh*t. What matters was where he was putting the ball. And I also admit that it didn't help him to sail 3 balls into the stands so I recognize that but people act like his combine was worse than it actually was.

I will give you $50 if you find me say anything about his receivers at the combine. I blamed it on his drop backs and footwork. Things I think are easily correctable.

As a matter of fact I said that day that he looked exactly how I thought he would look.

[Brooklyn Bully]

Words.

Bottom line: you can't base everything off 1-2 days of non-game skill display, and interviews.

I bet every year some brainy QB nails the Wonderlic. I bet every year some no name QB makes amazing throws at the combine or a pro-day. I bet every year some well spoken kid says everything you're "supposed" to say in an interview to the media. I'd be willing to bet Cam's interviews were a bit more intense too. But go ahead, say what they did in college means nothing. Make sure you only use non-game display from a combine and how he talks to the media is your only way to judge who to draft.

I'm not saying draft Cam. I'm saying it all matters. College career, show of leadership on the field in big games, how he handles himself to the media, how he looks at the combine, the competition he played in college, how he looks at a pro-day, how he looks physically, his past, his determined fit for your team, etc. If you add all of that together and determine Cam is a useless bag of poo, then don't draft him. Let him go work in a bookstore. If a team adds all of that together and thinks he's the real deal (no, not YOU), then that team better draft him.

I can't recall a player who gets SO much negativity in recent memory. The media really has changed how we talk about players.

[micnificent28]

Why does everyone seem to think Gabbert is a better leader than cam? Where has gabbert lead his team? Cam single handled brought his team back from 21 points down to defeat a very good nfl "like" defense in alabama. Gabbert couldn't even lead his team to score 21 points in the insight.com bowl against a average iowa team. The hype this guy is getting is amazing

[CarolinaVeins]

This is not college football. Again, I will state the obvious:

Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick, Vince Young, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Alex Smith were ALL better college QBs than Phillip Rivers, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, and Warren Moon. So don't use college stats to convince me of NFL capabilities. It is a stupid argument.

Why? They ran more and were better suited for the college game. Why do the lesser athletes do better in the pros? You tell me. Which group of QBs would you rather have? If you take Gabbert and Newton and had to place them in a category above, you know who goes where, so don't call me blind. You, sir, refuse to look at the history of the NFL and apply it to an understanding of the QB position. Cam was a great college QB for a year. But he didn't beat out The Golden Calf of Bristol, and he is certainly no lock for the NFL hall of fame.

You cant place Gabbert or Newton in anyone of those categories...they havent played in the NFL yet

[ncmonzta]

This is not college football. Again, I will state the obvious:

Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick, Vince Young, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Alex Smith were ALL better college QBs than Phillip Rivers, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, and Warren Moon. So don't use college stats to convince me of NFL capabilities. It is a stupid argument.

Why? They ran more and were better suited for the college game. Why do the lesser athletes do better in the pros? You tell me. Which group of QBs would you rather have? If you take Gabbert and Newton and had to place them in a category above, you know who goes where, so don't call me blind. You, sir, refuse to look at the history of the NFL and apply it to an understanding of the QB position. Cam was a great college QB for a year. But he didn't beat out The Golden Calf of Bristol, and he is certainly no lock for the NFL hall of fame.

You can remove Mike Vick and The Golden Calf of Bristol from that list. Vick has had more success than Rivers and The Golden Calf of Bristol just got into the NFL. One thing that first list minus the two I mentioned have in common is work ethic. If you read anything from the people that have "known" Cam they say he has great work ethic. I guess Big Ben and Rodgers are lesser athletes. It'll be a while before another Superbowl features Manning or Brady. It's a new day, stay in that pocket all day if you want to.

[micnificent28]

This is not college football. Again, I will state the obvious:

Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick, Vince Young, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Alex Smith were ALL better college QBs than Phillip Rivers, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, and Warren Moon. So don't use college stats to convince me of NFL capabilities. It is a stupid argument.

Why? They ran more and were better suited for the college game. Why do the lesser athletes do better in the pros? You tell me. Which group of QBs would you rather have? If you take Gabbert and Newton and had to place them in a category above, you know who goes where, so don't call me blind. You, sir, refuse to look at the history of the NFL and apply it to an understanding of the QB position. Cam was a great college QB for a year. But he didn't beat out The Golden Calf of Bristol, and he is certainly no lock for the NFL hall of fame.

The Golden Calf of Bristol was a all american media darling. If it isn't broke don't fix it. the fact that cam was a underclassman behind one of the greatest quarterbacks in history is reason enuff to not unseat him.

Coach would rather go with someone who knows there playbook better than take a chance on some hot shot,that doesn't make The Golden Calf of Bristol a better player than cam.

[ncmonzta]

Why does everyone seem to think Gabbert is a better leader than cam? Where has gabbert lead his team? Cam single handled brought his team back from 21 points down to defeat a very good nfl "like" defense in alabama. Gabbert couldn't even lead his team to score 21 points in the insight.com bowl against a average iowa team. The hype this guy is getting is amazing

The sheep just gobble it up instead of seeing with their own eyes. It's mind boggling

[monstercat]

This is not college football. Again, I will state the obvious:

Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick, Vince Young, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Alex Smith were ALL better college QBs than Phillip Rivers, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, and Warren Moon. So don't use college stats to convince me of NFL capabilities. It is a stupid argument.

Why? They ran more and were better suited for the college game. Why do the lesser athletes do better in the pros? You tell me. Which group of QBs would you rather have? If you take Gabbert and Newton and had to place them in a category above, you know who goes where, so don't call me blind. You, sir, refuse to look at the history of the NFL and apply it to an understanding of the QB position. Cam was a great college QB for a year. But he didn't beat out The Golden Calf of Bristol, and he is certainly no lock for the NFL hall of fame.

Have you looked at River's college stats? His numbers were better than Cam or Gabbert in his senior year, and I'm betting that they were right on par with most of those other successful QB's. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule though.

The only question with Rivers, was his throwing motion, which the Chargers left alone.He actually helps my argument, because he got it done in college and gets it done in the NFL even though he doesn't look like the perfect prototypical QB while doing it. Simply put, he's a playmaker just like Cam is.

Also, Warren Moon had to go to Canada because no NFL team wanted him as a QB in any round of the draft, which just goes to show you how ignorant NFL teams have been about black QB's for much of their existence.

[Jerry]

I can't understand all the infatuation over Newton.

Think about it, it will take 2 to 3 years to get him to learn

the NFL game. We need instant production out of a #1 pick and he

will probably be a bust. We need to draft a sure fire player who

can start and dominate for us right out of the box. We don't

need Newton who is years away at best. Give Claussen another shot

the worst thing that can happen is that we will get Andrew Luck next year.

Skip on Newton he's not all that.