Pat Y was asked about Newton's red flags.

[CarolinaVeins]

Is Yas referring to the past when the Panthers had no first rounder (last 2 years) or were picking in the middle of the pack? Is he comparing Rivera to Fox? Is he in the business of saying, "I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine."? Come on people-these are reporters. They know nothing more than you.

Gabbert's strong pro day should make open-minded people happy. It give the Panther's another option, it makes the first pick more valuable in terms of a trade. Newton's stock is starting to slip, and I have to think, at the end of the day, if your job was on the line, you would do the right thing-regardless of what you said to the media.

Since trading the pick is an option, why would you say anything but positives?

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[Jerry]

Defense wins ball games. Go with defense first.

Get Darius he will force turnovers. Give Claussen another chance.

We threw him into the fire of the NFL which is far superior to

what he faced at Notre Dame. If he screws it up the bright side is

we will get Andrew Luck in 2012.

[ncmonzta]

Defense wins ball games. Go with defense first.

Get Darius he will force turnovers. Give Claussen another chance.

We threw him into the fire of the NFL which is far superior to

what he faced at Notre Dame. If he screws it up the bright side is

we will get Andrew Luck in 2012.

Luck? Please leave it alone

[CarolinaVeins]

Defense wins ball games. Go with defense first.

Get Darius he will force turnovers. Give Claussen another chance.

We threw him into the fire of the NFL which is far superior to

what he faced at Notre Dame. If he screws it up the bright side is

we will get Andrew Luck in 2012.

I REALLY hope your joking

[Marguide]

What gets me is the fact that there are red flags considering Cam's attitude (icon-entertainer, teammates called him "selfish" as exemplified when he tried to score at the bowl game when the coach told to take a knee), character (stolen computer, stealing from teammates' lockers at UF, caught cheating 4 times), mechanics (footwork, delivery), and accuracy (combine 52%, pro day), and they still want this guy without doubt or question.

Why is it so easy to envision you on your soapbox back in 1692 in Salem, Massachusetts?

[chef17]

"overall image"=Southern conservative football team that doesnt care about wins and losses. But cares more about their QB fitting a "safe"and "familiar" image they can easily sell to their market. This offseason has shown there's more fans concerned with "image" over "performance" than we on this board care to admit at times.

The thing is, it looks like the Panthers themselves are finally turning the corner and trying to shed this "image" and "stereotype" about their owner and franchise. That kind of "stereotype" is bad for business in a growing transient city like Charlotte. And it damn sure doesnt help you win over fans or win games.

You really should stop with the team not wanting to win. It doesn't make sense. You say the team cares about having a QB that they can easily sell to the market. You know what QB is easy to sell? A WINNING ONE.

[blueandblackattack]

I think Newton has explained that 'icon' statement a 1000 times and you know what, maybe he is an icon, who knows, the apparel company must think so.

I havent seen an article with him explaining his statement. Link? Every interview I watch of him, he mentions himself in the 3rd person at least once.

Okay we all understand were you are coming from.But the truth be told Cam will be on the Panthers team and this is why. The panthers are going into another direction with this team.They have veterans in Smith, Beason, Shockey,Deangelo and others. We have Ron Rivera as our coach and just going back to his bears and eagles day and San Diego. Ron isnt a push over type coach. He is a hard nose Shut the F up why i am talking guy. And you will do what he say.If anything he is almost a near perfect fit for this team.

Also I was watching Path to the draft the other day and Bucky Brooks and long time panthers scout was up there and with his mock draft he has Carolina taking Newton number 1. And he stated some facts he said with Ron Rivera at coach he knows how hard it is to defend specific type QB's and having a QB like Cam Newton with do wonders because it is so hard to defend them. Brian Baldinger brought up a good point also and he said he have no problem with Carolina taking newton but he should bring some of Gus malzahn offense with him when he come and it can help him out.

I like Rivera and his attitude, but as the old saying goes, the coaches don't play the game, the players do. Whose to say the Icon and Entertainer won't go off book like when teammates called him "selfish" when he tried to score at the bowl game when the coach told to take a knee.

Mayock is the one thats always the closest in qb evaluation out of all the "Gurus" and he compares him to a Matt Ryan, not the safest pick, not the hugest arm, but he has the right mental toughness and attitude.

I understand that you dont like Newton like that. But I think some problems with some people is that every time a Black QB come in the league they dont feel he can be successful. But every one isnt going to be a Brady or a Manning.But with the right team the right coach the rite Work ethic and the film rat and the gym rat attitude he can be succesful.

Seriously?? Listen, I don't care what ethnicity he is, he could be a freakin mermaid and have J-Stew pulling and pushing his tank around for all I care, cause it doesnt matter. What goes on between his ears is what matters most. And based on just my humble opinion, from interviews, when your quarterback says things like he's an Entertainer and an Icon before he plays a snap in the NFL, then he's already got problems before he even begins, doesn't matter where your from. If your me-first before team-first then thats a No in my book. And this is all based on personal opinion and from what I've watched and read thus far.

I wasn't one of the people cheering for Clausen, from interviews I've read he didn't fit the character build either. I read an interview where he said he greatest strength is ball control...ball control?? He could have said first one in the building last one to leave, student of the game, outwork the competition. Never said anything close to those things.

Bottom line, if they don't think theirs a franchise quarterback in this draft, then it's not worth it and just take defense. But to me, from my eyes and ears, Gabbert is the closest thing to it. But if it's not him, get Dareus or PP7.

[Marguide]

I havent seen an article with him explaining his statement. Link? Every interview I watch of him, he mentions himself in the 3rd person at least once.

Here is Newton's press conference at the combine explaining his icon statement.

[eViL jEsTeR]

the comments about cam sound great, but remember, gabbert hasn't had his turn with the panther front office yet. lets wait and see what their opinions are after his visit and workout.

[mav1234]

Gabbert had his first meeting on Saturday and seemed happy with it based on a tweet but we have no idea what the Panthers thought.

It seemed to be a several hour private workout and interview session, but that is a big assumption on my part (assuming it started at 7 or 8 based on a tweet the previous day, plus him tweeting about it around noon).

[blueandblackattack]

Here is Newton's press conference at the combine explaining his icon statement.

Thanks!

[raleigh-panther]

Umm go look at Gabberts record... Sure he's had more wins than you think... Cam had one season with an extremely talented Auburn team... I cold argue better recievers, running backs, OL and TE's than Gabbert had... it's apples to oranges.

There was an interesting, analytical look at Gabbert and Mallett on ESPN.

I cannot post it because it is a paid service on the insider.

The net of it is, against better compeition Mallet was better than Gabbert when it came to % of completions, average yards of the throw and TDs to interceptions.

Like a lot of people, I don't really care who the Panthers draft, I just get a little sick of some of the statements about Newton,. you'd think the guy was the devil incarnate.

These people should take a look around at the choir boys currently in the NFL and get a grip. They are atheletes not role models. Doesn't matter what we would like them to be.

I wonder, how many of those had 'red flags' in college.

[Skew]

No one seems to have said this yet but I will:

You watch Gabbert's interviews and what he says, and the video of him breaking down coverages and working the white board, then you know where his priorities are.

We're too proud and feel like we're too good for a black board. Being 1-12 and all. Our first preference is always gonna be a white board, always has, and always will be under current circumstances. Just because Jerry Richardson and some of our fans want to be "classy losers" doesnt mean we all want to be. Some of us actually do care about winning at all costs and dont feel we're too good to consider a black board the best option.

Ive gone on record plenty of times saying I could see the Panthers picking up a black board. That isnt something that is far fetched. But them using a draft pick to develop and annoint some black board is. All our boards will be white.

Every year we have several black boards. Thats not uncommon at all. How many black boards have we had? How many years in a row has our boards been all white? How many NFL teams can say for the past 5 years every board they brought in or believed in or annointed or had hold a clipboard was white. There's alot that cant.

Winning is important to me. And I dont think you can win when you assume the white board is always the best option. I dont think you can win when you pass up or ignore talent simply because the board is black. The proof is in our record. We arent even at .500. There's alot of NFL teams who cant say every board they've had or brought in the past 5 years is white. Its very important to Jerry Richardson and the Panthers front office obviously. Making our boards a haven for white privilege hasnt worked in our favor for 16 years.

Can you tell me what black boards the Panthers have had the past 5 years? Are you saying it isnt true, every single board we've had the past 5 years is white? You do realize even teams that feature all pro and super bowl winning white boards like the Vikes and Steelers have black backups, yet the Panthers who feature white boards are too proud for a single black board as a backup on their team.

Its pretty clear to alot of people the Panthers really really really reallly really want all of their boards to be white and think its makes them a "classier" football team because of it. Which one have they drafted? What black board have we had on our team the past 4-5 years? Or are you implying black boards dont exist? Which black boards are you high on and think we could've brought in? All our boards will be white. We will have the "classiest" and "most character" in our boards. Teams will envy us.

The Panthers go out of their way to feature ONLY white boards and alot of people, NFL fans alike are noticing. Like I said, alot of NFL teams cant say every board they've had the past 5 years is white. Hell, our NFC South rivals cant even say that. And what do we have to show for that devotion and commitment to the white boards ONLY? Our idea of what a board is SUCKS and is severely dated. Our resistance to implement and use athleticism at the board position has set us back. We are the kings of pooty boards, yet we still find a way to thump our nose at them black boards no matter how bad ours look. People laugh at how far we go to avoid black boards because its funny and sad for a losing franchise like ours.

If the Panthers organization hates black boards so much and is so firm in the belief a black board isnt smart enough or classy enough to be an NFL board, why do their boards struggle so badly? None of them are black. They pass on all black boards.

A martian from outer space has a better chance of being drafted and becoming an NFL board for us than a black board. The Panthers have issues, they're gonna let their franchise fall apart trying to prove only white boards can be NFL boards. The most important board on the football field, held hostage by pride and ego.

Seems you dudes love pitting black board against black board, but ask you to take one over some hyped up white one and you become silent.

When you've got a hyped up black board that you feel is overrated and not any good, compare him to another lesser black board and say that board is better. That way, no one can accuse you of "racism" and no one is putting a black board over a white board. We're still keeping the white board on their "pedestal" and shielding them from black competition at the board position. But ask those same folks to argue a black board being better than a hyped up white board, and the culture they were raised in wont allow them do it. They resent someone saying a young black board’s future is brighter than a young white board.

You'll say it's better than another black board, why are you afraid to argue it being better than a highly rated white one? Is there something that permits you from doing this? Still refusing to acknowledge a black board being better than a white one. This is always the convenient answer for people who see that as the ultimate sellout move. The Panthers say they want to win, but some of their fans just seem to want all their boards to be white just to say they are even if they absolutely suck and are the worst in the league.

So can we pretty much conclude the Huddle sentiment is anybody that thinks a black board is the best board coming out and or is better than a white board is "racist"? They're just saying that cuz it's black. If you say a highly rated black board is better than a highly rated white board, you're a racist. You have an agenda. You should always want all your boards to be white, or you should view that as the standard.

[mav1234]

The net of it is, against better compeition Mallet was better than Gabbert when it came to % of completions, average yards of the throw and TDs to interceptions.

Look at Joyner's stats again. While his ultimate conclusions make sense, the premise of his argument is not really that Mallett is better in every statistical category, but that his vertical passing game generated more touchdowns (and more interceptions).

if you actually break down some of the statistical categories, they are not that hugely different. in fact, Gabbert is widely more accurate in the 20-29 yard range(Gabbert completed 61% of his passes as opposed to Mallet's 41%). Past that, in the games Joyner looked at Gabbert didn't complete any 30+ yard throws(and only had 1 attempt per game), whereas Mallet did (Mallet completed 40% of them). In the vertical passing game(throws over 11 yards), Gabbert has increased accuracy (54% compared to 45% for Mallett), but fewer TDs, 2 less YPA, and far fewer interceptions. Gabbert went vertical 4% less than Mallett and had fewer touchdowns on vertical passes (most of his TDs in the period Joyner looked at came within 0-10 yards). A lot of the difference is due to the offense they ran, and frankly Mallet just has a stronger arm.

Ultimately and amusingly to me, Joyner's comparison of Gabbert to Mallett's stats actually puts Gabbert in a decent light. Considering how awful his year-long stats look, it was cool to look at the stats over just a period of time in which he played good opponents. They don't really tell you anything about the future NFL success of these guys, but they're still fun to look at.

Ultimately he is right, even if his stats aren't that convincing an argument: Mallett is the better pure passer at this point.