Running QBs in the NFL

[Marguide]

Good research. I have two questions...if in the universe of NFL QB's, one is either a running QB (as you have defined it above) or a non-running QB, then:

1) What is the average number of games started per year for non-running QB's?

2) If the running QB's have a greater than 50% win rate, does that mean that non-running QB's are below 50%?

[Stumpy]

Good research. I have two questions...if in the universe of NFL QB's, one is either a running QB (as you have defined it above) or a non-running QB, then:

1) What is the average number of games started per year for non-running QB's?

2) If the running QB's have a greater than 50% win rate, does that mean that non-running QB's are below 50%?

I'm actually working on that as we speak, but it may be a while. There were only 47 qualifying running QBs since 2000. There have been somewhere around 300 non runners. I'll post it when ever I get done.

[Mr. Scot]

Not trying to veer off the topic much, but ever since those Cajun bastards won a SB, I'm starting to think there's a first time for everything. Newton may be one of the first running Qbs to revolutionize the NFL. He's as good a starting point as any. Who knows?

Whichever team drafts him though, needs to work their offense around him, and not the other way around. I guess that can be said about most of the Qbs in this draft though.

It's not a new thing. People have been predicting that running QBs would "change the game" since Randall Cunningham, and it still hasn't happened. Nor do I think it will.

Besides the fact that defensive players are faster than they've ever been, you've also got all the rule changes that have been made to favor the passing game. If anything, I'd say we're farther away from that happening than we were back in Randall's days.

You still have to be a solid passer first. If you can also run, great. If you can pass but can't run, you can still succeed. If you can run but you're a lousy passer, you might make some highlight reels on ESPN, but you're not likely to get a ring.

[panthers55]

It's not a new thing. People have been predicting that running QBs would "change the game" since Randall Cunningham, and it still hasn't happened. Nor do I think it will.

Besides the fact that defensive players are faster than they've ever been, you've also got all the rule changes that have been made to favor the passing game. If anything, I'd say we're farther away from that happening than we were back in Randall's days.

You still have to be a solid passer first. If you can also run, great. If you can pass but can't run, you can still succeed. If you can run but you're a lousy passer, you might make some highlight reels on ESPN, but you're not likely to get a ring.

I think you are exactly correct. I was a Eagles fan all through Randall's career at Philly. He was something to behold. He could stretch a play and was very elusive running to escape pressure. But he rarely ran by design unless it was a QB draw in the redzone. Wilbert Montgomery did the running and with good reason.

The thing that hurt Randall was inconsistency. He could go on a streak and hit 5 in a row. But would throw the next 2 or 3 in the dirt or behind a receiver. He wasn't a great passer throughout his career with a 56% completion rate and a rating of 81.

If Newton were trying to be the modern day Cunningham he would have to have the same elusiveness but be a better passer given the rule changes favoring the passing game. He obviously knows it as well. He sure isn't working on his running moves these days. And Randall was somewhat skinny at 6'4" and 215 lbs. Made him injury prone. Newton at least seems stouter with more of a Roethlisberger kind of build.

And yeah I know you are not in favor of a QB at all this year.

[philp]

wow, you guys are mad.

[Verge]

Is that supposed to be a pro-Cam highlight video?

Probably about 2 out every 5 throws in that video were good throws. The ones that were good, were damn near perfect. But there were way too many balls that he either over threw or over lead his receiver.

That being said, watching that video definitely reminded me that he never did get too much help from his wide outs.

3 out of every 5 throws the wr was wiiiddddeee open, Cam does not look like a good deep passer in this video.

[Stumpy]

3 out of every 5 throws the wr was wiiiddddeee open, Cam does not look like a good deep passer in this video.

I agree but, to be fair, there were quite a few drops in that video too.

[panthers55]

3 out of every 5 throws the wr was wiiiddddeee open, Cam does not look like a good deep passer in this video.

They were open because Newton extended the play and pressured the secondary so the receiver blew by them. That is what he does to defenses particularly in college. Whether it translates to the NFL remains to be seen.

As for deep throws he struggled in his first 8 games completing around 40%. The last five games it was closer to 58%. As long as he completes them at that rate, I don't care how they look.

But that is me.........

[Stumpy]

They were open because Newton extended the play and pressured the secondary so the receiver blew by them. That is what he does to defenses particularly in college. Whether it translates to the NFL remains to be seen.

In the video that was posted, he didn't scramble and throw one time. He did his little stutter step, which may have drawn the secondary back a bit, and threw it.

That is my biggest problem with cam compared to some of the successful NFL running QBs. Cam does not make plays down field with his legs. He is either run or pass.

[panthers55]

In the video that was posted, he didn't scramble and throw one time. He did his little stutter step, which may have drawn the secondary back a bit, and threw it.

That is my biggest problem with cam compared to some of the successful NFL running QBs. Cam does not make plays down field with his legs. He is either run or pass.

The offense he played in was a hurry up attacking offense not a traditional one. Historically he wasn't used to running that much. You could see him progress throughout the year. He is surely not a finished product and needs to be a passing quarterback in the NFL not a running one. So for me the fact he is no Michael Vick is actually a good thing.

[Future of the Funchise]

Sit Cam Newton on the bench for 3 years like Rodgers sat before starting a full season then judge him and his abilities. You people unjustly compare this kid to people who play totally different styles of ball than him before he can ever even play a down in the NFL. I feel the same way about Gabbert. The difference is B.G. Is being crowned as a franchise guy when he has done nothing at the collegiate level while running a similar offense with a similar playing style as C.N. who is a Heisman winner and National champ. Both of these guys a running qb projects who need time to develope. They are the best of the draft. So if this thread is about not taking a mobile QB who the fug should we take? Happy St. Patty's day everybody. I've had a good night. :)

[Stumpy]

The offense he played in was a hurry up attacking offense not a traditional one. Historically he wasn't used to running that much. You could see him progress throughout the year. He is surely not a finished product and needs to be a passing quarterback in the NFL not a running one. So for me the fact he is no Michael Vick is actually a good thing.

He definitely progressed as the season went on and I think he still has plenty of room to grow. My point was that the mobile/dual threat/running QBs that have been successful in the NFL have all been very good at throwing on the run, and that is something that Cam has not shown yet.

[Stumpy]

So if this thread is about not taking a mobile QB who the fug should we take? Happy St. Patty's day everybody. I've had a good night. :)

Marcell Dareus.

Erin go bragh! :cheers2:

[ncmonzta]

Heres a mobile QB