Consensus Big Board

[Jackofalltrades]

http://walterfootball.com/draft2011bigboard.php

Why people want a guy outside of the top ten as the first pick overall is beyond me.

[Carolina Husker]

Because we're the only team that has Jimmy Clausen as our starter.

[mav1234]

Haters, all of 'em!

would like to see the dates on the big boards he used actually.

[Catalyst]

The same site that has us taking Newton in their mock draft...

[mav1234]

Because we're the only team that has Jimmy Clausen as our starter.

But we're not the only team with an awful, awful situation at quarterback. In fact, there's nearly a half dozen other teams with near equally bad situations.

At least tendered Matt Moore, lol.

[SCP]

JoaT, I started out anti-Cam. Depending how my morning dump goes, I can go either way now. The last three mornings I have had great, soul cleansing craps and as a result have been thinking we should take Cam #1. The upside is so huge with the kid.

[Carolina Husker]

But we're not the only team with an awful, awful situation at quarterback. In fact, there's nearly a half dozen other teams with near equally bad situations.

At least tendered Matt Moore, lol.

No, we're easily the worst.

[SCP]

No, we're easily the worst.

And it's not even close. If it were a horserace, we'd be Secretariat at the Belmont Stakes.

[mav1234]

No, we're easily the worst.

Not by much, if at all. Even if we are, we're in the SAME position as Minnesota, Arizona, San Francisco (assuming A. Smith does not re-sign), and Cincy (if Palmer leaves)... None of us have a quarterback really (though we do have Matt Moore if we count his tender! :P), and certainly none of us have a clear franchise guy.

And it's not even close. If it were a horserace, we'd be Secretariat at the Belmont Stakes.

that's because you're a Carolina Panthers fan. Seriously, we're in the exact situation a number of other teams are as far as needing a quarterback, and we at least have a backup with a winning record tendered... though who knows if he'll be healthy. =|

[Catalyst]

JoaT, I started out anti-Cam. Depending how my morning dump goes, I can go either way now. The last three mornings I have had great, soul cleansing craps and as a result have been thinking we should take Cam #1. The upside is so huge with the kid.

This sums it up for me. It's why we're considering him seriously, as are the Bills, Bengals, & Cardinals - ALL teams in the top-5. Nobody denies the risk associated with the pick, but it's that insane potential Cam has that has team's interested.

If we - or any team - takes Newton and hits on the pick they're going to have a monster on their hands at the most important position in sports. Is he a project? I don't think he is to the degree that the Mike Mayock's of the world seem to believe, but he is a bit of one, sure. But the immense upside is not in question.

For me - for a lot of folks - that potential alone is reason enough to take this risk. I honestly don't see any other player in this draft with that kind of potential, at any position.

[mav1234]

Welp, at least next year we may be the only team that started Cam Newton(or Blaine Gabbert) as a reason why we should take a quarterback.

[Carolina Husker]

Clausen is one of the worst QBs I've ever seen. He is dreadful. Webb looked pretty decent in limited action for Minnesota in bad circumstances. Alex Smith isn't great but he's Joe Montana compared to Jimmy, and I'd rather have Skelton too.

[mav1234]

Clausen is one of the worst QBs I've ever seen. He is dreadful. Webb looked pretty decent in limited action for Minnesota in bad circumstances. Alex Smith isn't great but he's Joe Montana compared to Jimmy, and I'd rather have Skelton too.

Webb was awful. Not sure what game you saw. He was not good. He had a 60 qb rating over 4 games, threw no touchdowns and had 3 interceptions. Sure, he ran for 2, but that's all he did. He was bad, bad, bad. He looked "good" against Philly, but if you want to say that about him you have to count a couple of Jimmy's games as "good" too, so blech.

Alex Smith is CERTAINLY an upgrade over Jimmy but he's a free agent. There's been talk about him being brought back but I am unaware if there has been any actual moves. Obviously if he is there, they're off the list.

Skelton had two touchdowns, two interceptions, and posted a 62 QB rating. Sure, he may have been an upgrade over Jimmy, but considering who he had coaching him and the receivers around him.... Ugggh.

The reality is Jimmy was bad, but so too were those guys. Even if we assume that they are upgrades, they are still not upgrades you ever want starting a game. All of us are in the same boat when it comes to QB.

[Carolina Husker]

el oh el those are all clearly better than Jimmy's 3TD 9INT, 33 sack, 58 QB rating.