NFLPA Said --VS--NFL/Owners Said

[MadHatter]

Might want to work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I say anything about being able to negotiate a deal. I said I don't understand placing all the blame on the players when the owners agreed to the deal. Please explain to me how that says they should never be able to negotiate a more fair deal.

Thought your arguement was that the owners should just suck it up because they were the ones that agreed to the %'s in the first place.

My point was that I believe they signed up for a bad deal to keep football being played.

If I misunderstood your point, my apologies.

[MadHatter]

BTW hoping the families of players starve over something that they have no control over is some pretty fuged up logic.

I was being overly fececious in my remark. I don't litterally want to see anyone starve to death. Just hope that the players feel the pain enough to understand just how incredibly good they have it.

They are paid a trememdous amount of money to play a game.

[chef17]

Thought your arguement was that the owners should just suck it up because they were the ones that agreed to the %'s in the first place.

My point was that I believe they signed up for a bad deal to keep football being played.

If I misunderstood your point, my apologies.

No I don't think that at all. I just think both faults are equally at blame. Owners should have never agreed to the deal. Players should be more willing to compromise. I don't understand blaming one party but not the other.

[chef17]

I was being overly fececious in my remark. I don't litterally want to see anyone starve to death. Just hope that the players feel the pain enough to understand just how incredibly good they have it.

They are paid a trememdous amount of money to play a game.

Yeah I was just being a dick with that post. Now I feel bad since you just misunderstood my post and apologized :(

[MadHatter]

Yeah I was just being a dick with that post. Now I feel bad since you just misunderstood my post and apologized :(

No need to apologize...I was also being a somewhat of a dick.:sifone:

The reason I am totally against the players in this one is.....the owners came to the table with a great offer (no 18 game season...post retirement payments for players....better safety and health rules....split the difference on the amount off the top....audited financial data.

The players had ZERO intention of negotiating. They either wanted the owners to cave to their every demand or decertify and sue.

These players have no idea of reality. They are paid millions to play a game. They have vertually no other marketable skills. They have zero of their personal money invested in these teams. Yet, they want the rewards of ownership.

that is why I say fug them.

[Kurb]

These players have no idea of reality. They are paid millions to play a game. They have vertually no other marketable skills. They have zero of their personal money invested in these teams. Yet, they want the rewards of ownership.

Sadly I think this is true.

I think the leadership team has been hoodwinked by DSmith which leads the leadership team to leading the players to believe things that might not be true.

Not to mention players tweeting about "its not a game its a proffession" bullshit.

GTFO

[chef17]

No need to apologize...I was also being a somewhat of a dick.:sifone:

The reason I am totally against the players in this one is.....the owners came to the table with a great offer (no 18 game season...post retirement payments for players....better safety and health rules....split the difference on the amount off the top....audited financial data.

The players had ZERO intention of negotiating. They either wanted the owners to cave to their every demand or decertify and sue.

These players have no idea of reality. They are paid millions to play a game. They have vertually no other marketable skills. They have zero of their personal money invested in these teams. Yet, they want the rewards of ownership.

that is why I say fug them.

I agree to an extent. I just look at it like this. If you have a child and spoil them giving them everything, then suddently give them less what will happen? They will throw a tantrum until they get their way. The players like the spoiled child throwing a tantrum. I still fault the parent (owners) as well for spoiling the child. I understand your frustration towards the players. I just feel like the owners are also at fault for setting up the situation.

[mountainpantherfan]

I agree to an extent. I just look at it like this. If you have a child and spoil them giving them everything, then suddently give them less what will happen? They will throw a tantrum until they get their way. The players like the spoiled child throwing a tantrum. I still fault the parent (owners) as well for spoiling the child. I understand your frustration towards the players. I just feel like the owners are also at fault for setting up the situation.

This is a great analogy!

I don't so much fault the owners but to say they should have known better is more than appropriate.

Teddy Bruschi made a comment Friday night right after everything went down. He said,

"The players are continuing to follow the leadership of Gene Upshaw. He would meet with every player every season, all 32 teams. He would stand up in front of us and tell us that no matter what never give back anything the owners ever give you."

The players don't want to negociate because they don't want a deal that is anything less than the one they had. The owners should not have made the deal in 06 that they did knowing the players were never going to give back a singal percentage point ever.

[Lords0fPain]

I agree the players have it good. I just don't understand placing all the blame on the players. If the owners never agreed to give them that much in the first place we wouldn't be in this.

Thats why they put the 2 year early opt out (and used it), cause as Hatter said they done something good for game (and all concerned AT THE TIME).

[Lords0fPain]

Might want to work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I say anything about being able to negotiate a deal. I said I don't understand placing all the blame on the players when the owners agreed to the deal. Please explain to me how that says they should never be able to negotiate a more fair deal.

Thats what they (owners) tried to do and it wasn't (and never was going to good enough for the players). The judge constantly rules for the players (which I'd like to see how he generally rules, in other cases, to see what side of the political fence hes one), so the players want in court.

[chef17]

This is a great analogy!

I don't so much fault the owners but to say they should have known better is more than appropriate.

Teddy Bruschi made a comment Friday night right after everything went down. He said,

"The players are continuing to follow the leadership of Gene Upshaw. He would meet with every player every season, all 32 teams. He would stand up in front of us and tell us that no matter what never give back anything the owners ever give you."

The players don't want to negociate because they don't want a deal that is anything less than the one they had. The owners should not have made the deal in 06 that they did knowing the players were never going to give back a singal percentage point ever.

This is kinda my thinking. I'm with everyone else who says the players should be willing to compromise. However, I can understand them not wanting to give anything up after having such a good deal. It's human nature to not want to give things back after you have them.

[chef17]

Thats what they (owners) tried to do and it wasn't (and never was going to good enough for the players). The judge constantly rules for the players (which I'd like to see how he generally rules, in other cases, to see what side of the political fence hes one), so the players want in court.

I understand that. I'm just saying IMO the owners are partially to blame as well. I think by giving the players so much in the last deal, the current situation was bound to happen.

[DaCityKats]

until they bring those papers i doubt they get a deal done. thats the main reason why i think they want this to go to court. how can people take a side when both sides are being dickheads.

[DaCityKats]

I understand that. I'm just saying IMO the owners are partially to blame as well. I think by giving the players so much in the last deal, the current situation was bound to happen.

so true, people are quick to take a side. but if the deal was that bad they should have never taken the deal.