Decertification

[riddel]

See... this is the problem with this mentality...

The money the players get... it's from the CLUBS. It's not THEIR money until they are paid.

It would be like me saying to my employer, "You layed me off, and took my money!"

No... they elimnated your job and kept THEIR money.

The players are entitled to make what the owners agree, collectively, to pay them. If there is a problem with the business model of the past Collective Bargaining Agreement, and they want to make a change, the players need to realize eventually they will get their way. If they take it to court, and they win, they'll still lose, because the fuging owners can dissolve the league and rebuild it with new players and a non-unionized workforce.

BTW... the whole "They didn't show the financials." is inaccurate. The NFL's statement on this says the Union was presented fiancial data, and refused to review it.

There is so much wrong with this post, that I'm not going to even bother....you're still comparing NFL Players to Walmart employees....I'm not going to waste my time with this post...movin on.

[blackcatgrowl]

There is so much wrong with this post, that I'm not going to even bother....you're still comparing NFL Players to Walmart employees....I'm not going to waste my time with this post...movin on.

Hmm. I guess since I destroyed your argument you'd consider it "wrong".

Facts are, they ARE employees. The only difference is they are (well, WERE) unionized, and highly paid.

If you want to dispute it any further, answer me this:

Is/was the NFLPA a "labor" union or not?

[ThPantherFan]

The owners attempted a split of their differences and the players refused. In other words, they didn't want to give anything back.

The NHL and NBA opened the books and it didn't help resolve the issue. David Stern has even stated as much.

You nor the players trust the owners. Fine. However, it seems that the NFLPA could have just decertified at the start of the process and got it going sooner because this was were it was heading all along.

The only other option was for the owners to just give up and that wasn't happening.

After reading the article on MSNBC, it was obvious the players had planned all along to do what they did. Smith is a douche. I'll add the others that filed suit shortly afterward as well on the douche side. That's not just Brady and Manning, but ALL the ass holes.

[Proudiddy]

Hmm. I guess since I destroyed your argument you'd consider it "wrong".

Facts are, they ARE employees. The only difference is they are (well, WERE) unionized, and highly paid.

That seems to be spreading like wildfired around here lately.

Poster 1: Talks out of ass, demands 2nd poster to answer their questions and justify their stance

Poster 2: Justifies their stance while obliterating poster 1's argument AND answering their questions.

Poster 1: Ignores all of the previous just happened and asks more irrelevant questions all the while saying you're wrong.

[Nicbsbll2]

Work less get paid more. I get it.

Hmm... isn't that what crazy ole Jerry said in the press conference?

[riddel]

Hmm. I guess since I destroyed your argument you'd consider it "wrong".

Facts are, they ARE employees. The only difference is they are (well, WERE) unionized, and highly paid.

If you want to dispute it any further, answer me this:

Is/was the NFLPA a "labor" union or not?

Seriously...you're too dense....I'm not going to waste my time...re-read the thread enlighten yourself if you like....

[blackcatgrowl]

That seems to be spreading like wildfired around here lately.

Poster 1: Talks out of ass, demands 2nd poster to answer their questions and justify their stance

Poster 2: Justifies their stance while obliterating poster 1's argument AND answering their questions.

Poster 1: Ignores all of the previous just happened and asks more irrelevant questions all the while saying you're wrong.

It's a staple Internet Forum tactic. Happens every day around here.

P.S. Try and stay out of the Tinderbox. It would be more accurate to call it the Strawmanbox.

[ThPantherFan]

Why should the players take less money? Someone please tell me why? Because the owners "claim" they are losing money on the deal? SHOW ME! The owners played poker and they lost.....now they will show the courts.

The players make good money. It is skewed way out of proportion when rookies make more than veteran and proven players. Peppers or no one else deserves a million dollars per game. That is way out of line. Hopefully all this will bring everything to a more realistic state.

[Toker Smurf]

All I know is I want De Smith's job. He basically accomplished nothing, then turned it over to the lawyers. I could do that.

[riddel]

It's a staple Internet Forum tactic. Happens every day around here.

P.S. Try and stay out of the Tinderbox. It would be more accurate to call it the Strawmanbox.

LOL....you don't get it.....the guy was making fun of you.....LOL!

[blackcatgrowl]

Blah blah blah, you're stupid!

So rather than reply, you're just jumping straight to the insults. That's cool. Shows you really know what you're talking about.

Again... the NFL's statement released today said they DID provide the union financials, and somehow you think they are guilty of negotiation tampering. That should be an indicator you're pretty clueless about what's going on.

[blackcatgrowl]

LOL....you don't get it.....the guy was making fun of you.....LOL!

Really? You sure about that?

[riddel]

The players make good money. It is skewed way out of proportion when rookies make more than veteran and proven players. Peppers or no one else deserves a million dollars per game. That is way out of line. Hopefully all this will bring everything to a more realistic state.

Unfortunately it won't. The issue was the $9 billion dollar split between the owners and players....the other issues would not have killed the deal....it was the fact the owners wanted money back from the players, but didn't want to prove their financial hardship.

[riddel]

So rather than reply, you're just jumping straight to the insults. That's cool. Shows you really know what you're talking about.

Again... the NFL's statement released today said they DID provide the union financials, and somehow you think they are guilty of negotiation tampering. That should be an indicator you're pretty clueless about what's going on.

You simply don't get it. Re-read this again. The owners must PROVE financial hardship.

2. Increased financial disclosure. The employer will have to make a claim of inability to pay or financial hardship. although the company's financial information normally need not be disclosed in collective bargaining, when the employer puts profitability or financial condition in contention, the financial data MUST BE provided to substantiate the position.

I'm not trying to insult you, but you're dense and I doubt you can comprehend, so what's the point in responding?