drafting cam at 1 would put us in the exact same position next year

[Mr. Scot]

I really see both sides of the arguement and honestly I just want to trade back so it's not a hard decision. A 2nd round pick would be nice. But there is a huge flaw in passing on Cam for dareus...(or Fairley, whichever one the media likes at the given moment) he won't make the panthers a better team. He may make the DL better and may make the defense better but in the long run having a great DT wont get us in the playoffs and give us back to back winning seasons.

But a QB will. Cam has his issues but if he can put it together we could be competitive for the next decade or more. Petersen, Fairely, or AJ green for that matter can't do that...no chance. At least Newton gives us a chance. We have bitched about Fox being conservative for years and the second we get a chance to gamble and maybe get a huge return guys don't want to do it. Fox will take a DT...start orton and the broncos will be pretty good. But in a few yeats when The Golden Calf of Bristol is undeveloped and orton gets banged up they will look like we have in the last few years.

Sometimes it's not about being right it's about having the balls to take a chance when you might be wrong. Or we can just get lucky and get the number 1 pick again next year. It's your choice.

See, here's the issue I have with that.

There's a lot of belief that if we don't address the QB spot in the draft, this year, that we're doomed to fail. I don't accept that.

I think getting a veteran stopgap, seeing whether Clausen can do it or not, and going back to the draft next year if needed is a path that could work out just as well in the long run.

[rodeo]

i think if we draft Newton at least it'll be hilarious and awesome if we suck next year instead of frustrating and boring.

[Fiz]

Honest question:

Where did you read/hear that? I've tried to look and was never able to find a clear answer as to whether it would be the above, or revert to this years draft order.

it's really archaic and buried in the current CBA. im not in a position to dig it up right now.

[Fiz]

He had one year that was comparable to Jimm Clausen's. Lets not go crazy.

don't be dumb. his stats aren't the reason he's so promising.

[ladypanther]

This team will not be picking #1 next year if games are played. Foxy tanked the season last year. JR has said that last year the Panthers had the worst record but they did not have the worst players...and I agree. Rivera will get some wins out of this team. Even if they pick a QB at #1...there will be a vet for them to learn behind.

[Fiz]

This team will not be picking #1 next year if games are played. Foxy tanked the season last year. JR has said that last year the Panthers had the worst record but they did not have the worst players...and I agree. Rivera will get some wins out of this team. Even if they pick a QB at #1...there will be a vet for them to learn behind.

ahhh yes, the "blame the officers" excuse.

[Mr. Scot]

i think if we draft Newton at least it'll be hilarious and awesome if we suck next year instead of frustrating and boring.

I can live without that brand of "awesome" :(

[teeray]

don't be dumb. his stats aren't the reason he's so promising.

He also isn't the greatest prospect in 30 years.

But just for fun read this article from last year:

http://walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenrams.php

[Fiz]

im not reading a walter football article

[Grammer]

He also isn't the greatest prospect in 30 years.

But just for fun read this article from last year:

http://walterfootball.com/jimmyclausenrams.php

that article pisses me off

:mad:

[Bj-Monster23]

tl;dr - cam would be a developmental project who almost certainly wouldn't contribute at a high, consistent level this year, the offense would continue to struggle, and it's highly likely that come draft time in 2012 we'd be in position to grab Andrew Luck.

disclaimer: this isn't about race or any bullpoo like that. kaseklosed of all people has met me and will vouch that i am not in fact a grand master cyclops of the kkk

Obviously the panthers are deficient at the quarterback position. there are lots of questions about the developmental path of clausen and what newton can do, but physically newton is a far superior specimen (much higher ceiling) and getting him would put us on a better path.

however, newton has many technique failings that will need to be addressed. he's not like josh freeman, who played in a weird offense (much like cam) because josh was technically sound. from the waist up, newton is john elway, but from the waist down he's bambi on ice, and these issues will take time to fix. it's possible he's bret favre who had terrible footwork his whole career but you really shouldn't compare people to hall of famers to make your argument. he's not matt ryan, who came into the league ready to contribute at an above average level and then never get better.

i've also read that newton's strong arm favors what chud wants to do on offense, with stretching the field like he did with braylon edwards and trent. this might be true but, barring breakout years from david gettis, a miracle draft pick like mike williams, or steve smith going against MAJOR historical trends, the players aren't on the offense to take advantage of the arm of a player who likely won't be able to play at a high level his rookie year for the previously stated reasons.

now, newton could prove everyone wrong and contribute at a very high level and develop into that terrible catch phrase people around here love to toss around (franchise qb). he could overcome major historical trends, the panthers could compete, the panthers could draft out of the top five and make this argument moot. he could overcome his own technique deficiencies. he could make us spend next offseason arguing about just how many super bowl MVPs he's going to win (the king taharqua option)

that's a poo ton of ifs.

in my informed opinion, if the trade for him falls through, the panthers would be much better suited just taking either dareus, peterson/akamura (panthers are at nebraska's pro day) or Green.

No, this will not win us a lot of praise from the scouts. yes, someone will take newton and we'll have to listen to how bad of a mistake we made (bush v williams), and no we won't compete in 2011, but we'll be setting ourselves up to maybe draft the best QB prospect since the last big name that came out of stanford.

now let's argue this until i get banned for horse poo reasons again

I agree you made some pretty good valid points. But how do you know we will have a chance to get Luck or who ever maybe the top QB prospect that come out. We might not even be in the top 3 next year.

[teeray]

Whatever plan we have for this draft. None of it should have anything to do with Andrew Luck. That ship has sailed guys. We have got to move on.

[Fiz]

I agree you made some pretty good valid points. But how do you know we will have a chance to get Luck or who ever maybe the top QB prospect that come out. We might not even be in the top 3 next year.

i don't. that was a key assumption in the argument. although considering the holes on offense that most likely can't be filled, i'd be hard pressed to buy an argument to the contrary.

[Bj-Monster23]

I really see both sides of the arguement and honestly I just want to trade back so it's not a hard decision. A 2nd round pick would be nice. But there is a huge flaw in passing on Cam for dareus...(or Fairley, whichever one the media likes at the given moment) he won't make the panthers a better team. He may make the DL better and may make the defense better but in the long run having a great DT wont get us in the playoffs and give us back to back winning seasons.

But a QB will. Cam has his issues but if he can put it together we could be competitive for the next decade or more. Petersen, Fairely, or AJ green for that matter can't do that...no chance. At least Newton gives us a chance. We have bitched about Fox being conservative for years and the second we get a chance to gamble and maybe get a huge return guys don't want to do it. Fox will take a DT...start orton and the broncos will be pretty good. But in a few yeats when The Golden Calf of Bristol is undeveloped and orton gets banged up they will look like we have in the last few years.

Sometimes it's not about being right it's about having the balls to take a chance when you might be wrong. Or we can just get lucky and get the number 1 pick again next year. It's your choice.

Witch i serious doubt we will...Get Lucky.