FYI on the Newton Debate

[Peppers90 NC]

It's not very hard to understand that, if you have the first pick of the draft, you want the best player. If you believe Cam IS the best player, then I understand why you would want him and I can see why you would think that. I don't believe he is the best, but not far enough behind to not be up in arms if he is picked.

[Mr. Scot]

It's not very hard to understand that, if you have the first pick of the draft, you want the best player. If you believe Cam IS the best player, then I understand why you would want him and I can see why you would think that. I don't believe he is the best, but not far enough behind to not be up in arms if he is picked.

Not hard to understand at all, or at least shouldn't be.

[blackcatgrowl]

Your opinion matters to me about as much as your spelling :lol:

That post is meant for friends and people I respect. You don't qualify on either front.

It does tell me a lot about you that rather than say something positive about a real-life situation (the kind of thing that's, you know, bigger than football) you instead choose to relate back to a discussion on a football board. You could at least have been happy for me. Guess that was too much to ask, though.

Sad :nonod:

What you should learn from it is that there are way more important things in my life than who we pick at quarterback. That's why the notion so many have thrown around that I have some personal, emotional interest in this debate comes off as incredibly stupid once you know the whole story.

Or you can keep doing like you're doing. Doesn't really matter to me either way.

I'm going to log off my machine in a few hours, go home and eat dinner. After which, I'm going to spend my weekend with my three children and wife. I'm going to cut my lawn, play some video games, read stories to the kids, maybe play ball with my oldest son, take them all to the park and probably grill out. I'll be handling problems from work from time to time too as I'm on call this weekend, but hopefully it will be quiet cause of the nice weather.

After all that is said and done, I might have a passing thought about Cam Newton, the Panthers, or Football. I doubt I'll even post on the Huddle, and if I do, it would probably be to checkout nc_biscuit's LL posts.

Trust me. I am not as emotionally invested in this discussion as you are.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm going to log off my machine in a few hours, go home and eat dinner. After which, I'm going to spend my weekend with my three children and wife. I'm going to cut my lawn, play some video games, read stories to the kids, maybe play ball with my oldest son, take them all to the park and probably grill out. I'll be handling problems from work from time to time too as I'm on call this weekend, but hopefully it will be quiet cause of the nice weather.

After all that is said and done, I might have a passing thoguht about Cam Newton, the Panthers, or Football. I doubt I'll even post on the Huddle, and if I do, it would probably be to checkout nc_biscuit's LL posts.

Trust me. I am not as emotionally invested in this discussion as you are.

If you say so :rolleyes:

Let's see: Too weak to go to work, diagnosed with a life-changing disease, spending loads of money on doctors while not getting a paycheck, no energy to do much of anything but post online, having to have friends help do simple everyday tasks, now finally learning that it's not what they thought (that being a huge relief).

But hey, forget all that. What's really important to me is winning an internet argument about something over which I have no influence :thumbsup:

(clueless) :frown2:

[top dawg]

Lemme put to words what some in the Pro-Newton crowd seem unable to fathom regarding the Anti-Newton crowd:

- We don't hate him. In fact, we have no personal feelings about him at all. He's just another football player.

- We have no desire to see him fail or have tragedy befall him. Why should we? What would it benefit us?

- We don't care that he's black. In fact, there's a load of white guys most of us don't want either.

- We simply think, for football reasons, that he's not worth the Panthers taking him with the #1 overall pick.

It really is that simple.

Now if you want to argue that he is worth it, well and good, as long as you bring football logic to the discussion. When, instead, you throw out stuff like "you hate him", "you're racist" or "you don't care about winning" or any other such personal argument, you don't help your case.

In fact, the only thing you actually do accomplish by saying that stuff is to make yourselves look really stupid :frown2:

The truth is that if Newton is drafted here, those of us who were against it happening will stand behind the choice and hope that we were wrong. Nobody's leaving the fanbase in protest because they drafted Cam Newton, and no one's going to hope that he fails or gets hurt. Quite the opposite, we'll hope for his success because that's what'll be best for the team.

If he isn't drafted, then the vast majority of us won't really care what happens to him - good or bad - because he won't be a Panther.

And that's pretty much all there is to it. I'm not sure why some find that so difficult to understand :nonod:

Oh, now, after all the BS, you want to talk football? This is what I have been saying all along.

[Mr. Scot]

Oh, now, after all the BS, you want to talk football? This is what I have been saying all along.

You might want to take a look at when the thread was started :D

[blackcatgrowl]

If you say so :rolleyes:

Let's see: Too weak to go to work, diagnosed with a life-changing disease, spending loads of money on doctors while not getting a paycheck, no energy to do much of anything but post online, having to have friends help do simple everyday tasks, now finally learning that it's not what they thought (that being a huge relief).

But hey, forget all that. What's really important to me is winning an internet argument about something over which I have no influence :thumbsup:

(clueless) :frown2:

But you're the one that brought up emotional investment here. I think it's pretty clear you've been extremely vocal about not taking Cam from the day I posted my thread supporting consideration for him, more so than anyone.

As I've said before, until this whole thing with Newton, I respected the hell out of your football opinion. I really don't get why you're so committed to "not drafting a QB" (keyword: Newton). It makes no sense to me at all.

FWIW, I read your "My story" thread. I didn't comment on it, because it sounds serious and I respect your situation. I'm being completely sincere that I hope it improves for you. Even though you've repeatedly disrespected me multiple times, I'd like to see your continued input on this forum despite this whole insanity around Newton. In the end, we are all Panther's fans.

[top dawg]

You might want to take a look at when the thread was started :D

I did.

[top dawg]

In case you didn't get that: You're all over the place, Scottie.

[Mr. Scot]

But you're the one that brought up emotional investment here. I think it's pretty clear you've been extremely vocal about not taking Cam from the day I posted my thread supporting consideration for him.

As I've said before, until this whole thing with Newton, I respected the hell out of your football opinion. I really don't get why you're so committed to "not drafting a QB" (keyword: Newton). It makes no sense to me at all.

FWIW, I read your "My story". I didn't comment on it, because it sounds serious and I respect your situation. I'm being completely sincere that I hope it improves for you. In the end, we are all Panther's fans.

Here's where you're getting it wrong.

I've posted often in the QB debate - and other topics in general lately - because I've had a lot more time on my hands due to sitting at home, being too sick to do much of anything else. And you guys mistake that for being emotional about it. As mentioned, I have real world things to be emotional about. This stuff doesn't register :frown2:

Reality is the QB debate has been the overriding topic on here. Had the main topic been different, you'd have seen me talking about other things. Truth be told, I'm bored with it, but it's not like there's much else being talked about. And so here we are.

And if you want to insinuate that the only reason I'm against drafting QB is to avoid getting Newton, sorry that's crap. I said before Luck ever made his decision that if he didn't come out, no one else was worth it. And as I've said many times, we've already got youth and question marks. We don't need more of either.

That's why I'm not in favor of any QB, and thanks to a similar scenario, not in favor of A J Green (but nobody accuses me of "hating" him).

Take a look back at the posts over the past month or so and what you'll see is that it isn't the anti-Newton crowd that's injecting emotion into it. It's the pro-Newton bunch. That's why I posted this thread in the first place, to explain that it's not an emotional thing for us, and never has been.

But yet we still get "hater" and "racist" and "biased" and whatever. Yeesh :rolleyes:

[blackcatgrowl]

Here's where you're getting it wrong.

I've posted often in the QB debate - and other topics in general lately - because I've had a lot more time on my hands due to sitting at home, being too sick to do much of anything else. And you guys mistake that for being emotional about it.

Reality is that's been the overriding topic on here. Had the main topic been different, you'd have seen me talking about other things. Truth be told, I'm bored with it, but it's not like there's much else being talked about.

And if you want to insinuate that the only reason I'm against drafting QB is to avoid getting Newton, sorry that's crap. I said before Luck ever made his decision that if he didn't come out, no one else was worth it. And as I've said many times, we've already got youth and question marks. We don't need more of either.

That's why I'm not in favor of any QB, and thanks to a similar scenario, not in favor of A J Green (but nobody accuses me of "hating" him).

Take a look back at the posts over the past month or so and what you'll see is that it isn't the anti-Newton crowd that's injecting emotion into it. It's the pro-Newton bunch. That's why I posted this thread in the first place, to explain that it's not an emotional thing for us, and never has been.

But yet we still get "hater" and "racist" and "biased" and whatever. yeesh :rolleyes:

Well, no other draft prospect for the Panthers has ever been as polarizing for our fan base as Newton has. There has to be reasons for it all.

In this case I think there are many reasons... from race, to envy for his success, to his father's actions.

Again, I do not think YOU are a racist, as I have said before. I don't know what motivates you here.

Besides, this all may be a moot point with a lockout in place, and the future of the league on less stable ground than 2 years ago.

I think you just need to let it go man. And stop sniping people's intelligence for having different opinions than you. It's really a lame ass forum tactic.

[Mr. Scot]

Again, I do not think YOU are a racist, as I have said before. I don't know what motivates you here.

Besides, this all may be a moot point with a lockout in place, and the future of the league on less stable ground than 2 years ago.

I think you just need to let it go man. And stop sniping people's intelligence for having different opinions than you. It's really a lame ass forum tactic.

What motivates me is a lot of time on my hands and the inability to do much else right now (until I can get whatever this is treated).

And you won't generally see me calling a poster stupid. You will see me calling an argument or an idea stupid on a regular basis.

I'll only call a poster stupid if they're consistently posting stupid arguments and ideas.

[Marguide]

Scott, first of all I am really happy for you the diagnosis wasn't what you feared. That is great news.

However...by bumping this post, you are baiting the pro-cam people (and yes, I am one of them). What purpose does that serve other than your own amusement? Maybe that is the desired outcome, I don't know.

Seems we are better served by posting and responding to new info as it becomes available, rather than rehashing the same old stuff just to provoke a reaction. I would hope both the pro and con sides of the debate would see the benefit in this approach.

[chef17]

Scott, first of all I am really happy for you the diagnosis wasn't what you feared. That is great news.

However...by bumping this post, you are baiting the pro-cam people (and yes, I am one of them). What purpose does that serve other than your own amusement? Maybe that is the desired outcome, I don't know.

Seems we are better served by posting and responding to new info as it becomes available, rather than rehashing the same old stuff just to provoke a reaction. I would hope both the pro and con sides of the debate would see the benefit in this approach.

The problem is we aren't getting any new info.