Where do you rank the top players?

[panthers55]

First of all it's an opinion article. I didn't ask for your reasoning or your lengthy posts to try and sound intelligent. Post your opinion or GTFO.

BTW, if you don't know that Green is currently a better football player than Gabbert, you should start watching soccer and if you currently watch soccer, you should leave this country.

I have played soccer and coached it at several levels as well as football as a player and coach. So I know lots about both, thanks.

But stop trying to be the internet tough guy or tell me what I should do or not. You have shown me what you know or don't but instead of pointing out your inadequacies will keep it to myself. I only wish others like you would consider what you say for even 10 seconds before writing it down. We would all be better for the experience.

[mr beauxjangles]

Bump...

I need more top 10 responses, I want to do some analysis.

It seems like only a handful of people actually understood what you were asking for...

[Stumpy]

Yeah, pretty interesting so far though. Pretty much a consensus to 4 prospects. From there it gets a little hazy.

[rayzor]

1. Newton (most natural talent in this draft, most potential, work ethic and right coaching will help him be worth the #1 spot)

2. Peterson (best defensive player in this draft. could very well be the best thing since deion sanders)

3. Green (great WR. randy moss comparisons are on key)

4. Fairley (tons of talent, lots of potential, but has a questionable work ethic)

5. Dareus (solid player. very good 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. not spectacular, though)

6. Bowers (benefited from having a great Dline and his injury scares me)

7. Quinn (really talented, but a year away from the game bothers me)

8. Miller (he'll be a really good 3-4 Will)

9. Jones (he's got a huge future ahead of him. tons of talent)

10.Gabbert (wouldn't have this guy anywhere in the first 15 picks and mainly just for a desperate team. barely would squeak in the top 25)

[TheRealDeal]

I did watch Cam play, which is why I know for a fact that he carried his team to a NC and is the best leader and has the most potential of any QB in this draft. Sure he's raw and probably won't make an impact yesterday the way most people want, but IMO, he's the best choice if you're all about building for long term success instead of the instant gratification of improving to 7-9 and being able to say that your guy could play right away.

You might very well be right and a lot of it is your opinion which is fine but the thing I don't get is how you could have that opinion without watching Gabbert play that much.

What if I told you that I thought Gabbert was the best QB in this draft, but I hadn't bothered to look at Cam Newton because I just knew Gabbert was the best? That doesn't make a lot of sense right?

Qdoba is so much better than Chipotle but I've never had Chipotle I just know that Qdoba is better.

Again, this isn't about you personally but many people share this attitude and it just confuses me.

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If you aren't going to rank them, you could just leave the thread. It's fairly simple.

It seems like only a handful of people actually understood what you were asking for...

It was my question. Only people who were trying to weasel Cam to #1 didn't understand the question.

[TheRealDeal]

1. Newton (most natural talent in this draft, most potential, work ethic and right coaching will help him be worth the #1 spot)

2. Peterson (best defensive player in this draft. could very well be the best thing since deion sanders)

3. Green (great WR. randy moss comparisons are on key)

4. Fairley (tons of talent, lots of potential, but has a questionable work ethic)

5. Dareus (solid player. very good 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE. not spectacular, though)

6. Bowers (benefited from having a great Dline and his injury scares me)

7. Quinn (really talented, but a year away from the game bothers me)

8. Miller (he'll be a really good 3-4 Will)

9. Jones (he's got a huge future ahead of him. tons of talent)

10.Gabbert (wouldn't have this guy anywhere in the first 15 picks and mainly just for a desperate team. barely would squeak in the top 25)

Missed it by thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis much. I appreciate the post though and the reasoning behind each.

[panthers55]

To rank them you need to have criteria for how to measure them. But I am going to use some criteria and a ranking system. This is an initial attempt and off the cuff so take it for what it is.

There are tons of possible considerations but I will keep them to five and not one of them is athleticism since all of them are athletic at their position. I am also separating them by offense and defense since the skill sets for each are very different.

You can change or add other criteria:

Liklihood for all-Pro status (L)

Potential impact on their side of the ball (P)

Game changing ability (G)

Considered the best at their position ©

Intangibles(I)

They are ranked either a 1, 2 , 3 with 3 being high, 2 is medium, and 1 is low.

Name---------------------L----P----G------C-------I------TOTAL

Newton -------------------3----3----3------2-------3------14

Gabbert-------------------3-----2----2-----3-------2------12

Peterson------------------3----3-----3-----3-------2------14

Green---------------------3----2-----3-----3-------2------13

Jones---------------------2-----2----3-----3-------2------12

Dareus-------------------3-----3-----3----2-------3-------14

Fairley--------------------3----3-----3-----3-------2-------14

Quinn --------------------3----3-----3-----2-------2-------13

Bowers-------------------3----3-----3-----3-------2--------14

Miller---------------------2----3-----2-----3-------3--------13

OFFENSE

Best potential offensive impact- Newton

Next best and ready to contribute out the chute-Green

Best unhyped offensive player- Gabbert

Best rise in the draft- Jones

DEFENSE

PETERSON- plays 2positions

BOWERS-best sack impact

FAIRLEY-disruptive in the middle

DAREUS-most determined to make an impact

QUINN-- =who knows, he didn't play

MILLER- great player

[TheRealDeal]

Well that's better than what you have been posting.

[Stumpy]

Name---------------------L----P----G------C-------I------TOTAL

Newton -------------------3----3----3------2-------3------14

Gabbert-------------------3-----2----2-----3-------2------12

Peterson------------------3----3-----3-----3-------2------14

Green---------------------3----2-----3-----3-------2------13

Jones---------------------2-----2----3-----3-------2------12

Dareus-------------------3-----3-----3----2-------3-------14

Fairley--------------------3----3-----3-----3-------2-------14

Quinn --------------------3----3-----3-----2-------2-------13

Bowers-------------------3----3-----3-----3-------2--------14

Miller---------------------2----3-----2-----3-------3--------13

So essentially, you top 10 would look like this...

1. Newton

---Peterson

---Dareus

---Fariley

---Bowers

6. Green

---Miller

---Qiunn

9. Gabbert

---Jones

Now that wasn't that hard was it? :D

[TheRealDeal]

lol he was just stalling until he could find a way to put Newton on top

[Stumpy]

Kinda interesting that the only people who have Cam in their top 5 have him at number 1. And every single person who has Newton at one, has Gabbert at 10. FWIW no one has Gabbert top 5.

[TheRealDeal]

Kinda interesting that the only people who have Cam in their top 5 have him at number 1. And every single person who has Newton at one, has Gabbert at 10. FWIW no one has Gabbert top 5.

No one has Gabbert top 5 because they don't have a special attachment to him and judge him objectively.

You already knew who was going to put Cam at #1 before they even posted it.

[chbright]

1) miller - best lb since aaron curry. might be better all around, but got stuck as a rush olb for the last 2 years. when asked to be a more complete wlb in a 4-3 his coverage was fine. his tape showed he was a man among boys as a rush olb the last 2 years, the combine confirmed the speed and power as well as the position drills showing off that he will be fine in coverage. he is all the athlete TD is (if not better at 250 than when td tested as a safety more than a olb), but knows the position day one.

2) dareus - was a stud DE in a 3-4. and yet thats not the best role for him, it is most definately inside as a UT, where he would get more 1 gap assignments. fires off the line (not the best in the draft or the group), and is able to hold up to the double team as he did at bama on the outside. i think he would be miscast as a NT, but imo he could if required (not as good as he is a 5 tech though). he stood out on the line, but his role was more to assist the lbs get the the ball more than he was to go get there.

3) peterson. production over a career. may not be the most technicly sound corner (where is the prince in this list), but best athlete at cb in a loooong time with great tape/production. fluid hips, top notch change of direction (combine, returner help point this out), and has the ability to recover on the deep routes. long career ahead, could move to FS to extend his career and do so at a high level. ballhawk.

4) green. probably the most technicly sound guy as a player on here. what can you not like? plucks the ball out of the air with his hands, attacks the ball not letting it come in to his chest. good route runner, maybe not the greatest, but thats a learned skill at the next level honestly. then again of the group he is way ahead of the curve. good size and speed. productive through out his time at uga, with mass turnover all around him.

5) fairley. best (well maybe 2nd best) athlete at DT. blew up this year, lit up the combine, and wowed at his pro day. had an amazing year on the field. unfortunately thats all his production so far. plays agressive, good motor (this year for sure), fires off the line and has great feet for a near 300lb man. 1 year wonder status scares the crap out of me. unlike dareus he played the role that suits him best and it helped him stand out.

6) jones. combine = wow. he was the guy coming out of college, and he should why. what an athlete. raw wr in all aspects other than being a mean arse blocker. can go crazy and make unbelievalbe catch, then get the dropsies. was not close to the focus of bama's attack (2 stud rbs tend to do that). his inconsistancy has him down here below green and not higher. if i was drafting based on raw physical/athletic ability alone, he would be #1 or #2.

7) newton. see fairley. same story, different position. why is he not up higher/with fairly? while he was the best qb this year, the style will not correlate over to the nfl as well as fairly. fairly will dobe asked to play the same exact way he did in college: penatrate the backfield. cam will be asked to go through more reads, run less, and run a much different offense (unless someone attempts to bring the spread over with him).

8) gabbert. at this point i dont really have a preferance. they all have issues. gabbert played in a spread offense as well. he isnt as suited for it as The Golden Calf of Bristol, newton, burton. his game was not based on being a great runner, was more a drop back guy. that said his performance this year was really lackluster. worked alot on drop backs and footwork in HS and at college from the sound of things. this is great for the nfl, but isnt it a bit unfair to mizzou? i mean while there, work on just the spread right? anyway cannon of an arm, good mobility. has happy feet, and can get rattled in the pocket.

10) quinn. good athlete, but no tape from 2010 hurts. production was geat when he was on the field(even from a freshman). played along side studs too, and had a wrecking crew behind him. makes me wonder with him gone and unc's good play on d (not 09 levels), if the guys left had more to due with quinn's success (unc homers gona hate this idea).

10) bowers: see fairley and newton and add health issues.

[monstercat]

You might very well be right and a lot of it is your opinion which is fine but the thing I don't get is how you could have that opinion without watching Gabbert play that much.

What if I told you that I thought Gabbert was the best QB in this draft, but I hadn't bothered to look at Cam Newton because I just knew Gabbert was the best? That doesn't make a lot of sense right?

Qdoba is so much better than Chipotle but I've never had Chipotle I just know that Qdoba is better.

Again, this isn't about you personally but many people share this attitude and it just confuses me.

If you aren't going to rank them, you could just leave the thread. It's fairly simple.

It was my question. Only people who were trying to weasel Cam to #1 didn't understand the question.

Like I said, my opinion of Gabbert is based mostly on the people who saw him play more than me, and not many of those people have given him a glowing endorsement. What more do you want? I have already said that I would be fine with Gabbert, if that's who the Panthers believe is the best player to draft.