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The Cam Newton and Race Thread!

Zod

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blackcatgrowl Newbie

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Just to clarify, saying "there are no quarterbacks I want in this draft" isn't the same as saying "none of the quarterbacks in this draft will ever be any good".

It's our situation as much as anything that guides me (i.e. we need experience, not more youth).

There are some runningbacks in this draft who may be great too, but do I want us to draft them? No. Our siituation doesn't lend to it (for different reasons).

Adding more youth to the QB spot is something I could only support for an Andrew Luck type prospect. There are none of those left. The guys that are there might be good, even great, someday. But that doesn't mean it's wise for us to take them right now.

Funny how "youth" wasn't a problem when Luck was still a question mark.

But let me translate this:

My favorite QB in the draft, Andrew Luck, didn't declare, so I would rather stick with our terrible QB corp and/or pull in mediocre Veteran talent, like John Fox did in 2002, and tank the season, to hope we can get someone I like better next year.

Sorry man. I don't think Rivera is willing to risk his first HC job with mediocrity. He's going to go get the best player he can to fill the biggest need we have.

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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Funny how "youth" wasn't a problem when Luck was still a question mark.

But let me translate this:

My favorite QB in the draft, Andrew Luck, didn't declare, so I would rather stick with our terrible QB corp and/or pull in mediocre Veteran talent, like John Fox did in 2002, and tank the season, to hope we can get someone I like better next year.

Sorry man. I don't think Rivera is willing to risk his first HC job with mediocrity. He's going to go get the best player he can to fill the biggest need we have.

So in other words, we're not taking Newton. Cool :thumbsup:

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davos Grand Master

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You strike me as a know it all type, but you back it up with facts so it's ok.

I've been intrigued by McElroy ever since he took over the starting gig at Bama. He played extremely well that year and I was impressed with his accuracy and overall play. I didn't get the chance to see any of his games this year so I was curious what the scoop on him was.

I've been in the same boat about McElroy. I mean from just a glance: he's a proven winner, he's got an arm, and came from a pro-style system in the toughest conference in college football.

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teeray Rookie

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So in other words, we're not taking Newton. Cool :thumbsup:

I don't think we ever guaranteed that we were going to. Just that he should be in the conversation. we believe he will be a good NFL QB. But most all of the Cam guys have said it is up to the FO todetermine if he can be the guy and if he can, pull the trigger. If not move along.

But if he does pass on a QB some of us would like to know what the plan is to fix the QB position long term.

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Not everyone is racist. However, everyone is stereotypical (whether you admit it or not). I myself am white. My stereotypes related to football are this:

- I don't believe in the #1 WR (or #2 WR for that manner) being white. White WR's to me are a joke (except in the slot). Why? I have no idea, just an opinion I've developed over the years watching football. I find that blacks are better athletically at the position. Is this true? In my own personal opinion it is, realistically no. But stats of success at the position favor blacks rather than whites.

- I don't believe in a white Running back. Hoover was great that one game he played. He destroyed defenses, so has other white runningbacks. 20th century white runningbacks where fairly successful, some hall of famers as well. But from my observations over the years, I find that a black running back is better than a white one. Is this a fact? No, just an opinion. But most running backs that have had success (especially in the 21st century) have all been black.

- I don't believe in a black QB. Would I root for Cam Newton? Hell yeah I would. Do I have a stereotypical opinion about black QB's? Yes I do. I relate a black QB with athleticism that has trouble being a pocket passer. Is this true? Absolutely not. You could give me some examples of successful black QB's that were great in the pocket. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of a successful black QB that was an elite pocket passer, that went on to enter the hall of fame. Cunningham was incredible, I love the guy, but he was a rushing QB, so is Vick. Despite Vick's character concerns I was actually hoping we brought him in a year or so ago, we didn't and he did incredible this year (of course Reid's system works for some and doesn't for others). To me Newton will take off and run to much instead of trying to make plays down field, his combine/pro day weren't as successful as some think. If he's black I don't care, but he needs to make all the throws, with accuracy, and successfully. If it's not there you can't just take off and run in the NFL, because Cam, those LB's run just as fast as you do and hit twice as hard. Sadly the reality of it is, and this is were my stereotype on black QB's is the strongest: Athletic QB's don't last long in the NFL.

Now that I have openly confessed my stereotype to both whites and blacks regarding the NFL, we can move on.

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Not everyone is racist. However, everyone is stereotypical (whether you admit it or not). I myself am white. My stereotypes related to football are this:

- I don't believe in the #1 WR (or #2 WR for that manner) being white. White WR's to me are a joke (except in the slot). Why? I have no idea, just an opinion I've developed over the years watching football. I find that blacks are better athletically at the position. Is this true? In my own personal opinion it is, realistically no. But stats of success at the position favor blacks rather than whites.

- I don't believe in a white Running back. Hoover was great that one game he played. He destroyed defenses, so has other white runningbacks. 20th century white runningbacks where fairly successful, some hall of famers as well. But from my observations over the years, I find that a black running back is better than a white one. Is this a fact? No, just an opinion. But most running backs that have had success (especially in the 21st century) have all been black.

- I don't believe in a black QB. Would I root for Cam Newton? Hell yeah I would. Do I have a stereotypical opinion about black QB's? Yes I do. I relate a black QB with athleticism that has trouble being a pocket passer. Is this true? Absolutely not. You could give me some examples of successful black QB's that were great in the pocket. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of a successful black QB that was an elite pocket passer, that went on to enter the hall of fame. Cunningham was incredible, I love the guy, but he was a rushing QB, so is Vick. Despite Vick's character concerns I was actually hoping we brought him in a year or so ago, we didn't and he did incredible this year (of course Reid's system works for some and doesn't for others). To me Newton will take off and run to much instead of trying to make plays down field, his combine/pro day weren't as successful as some think. If he's black I don't care, but he needs to make all the throws, with accuracy, and successfully. If it's not there you can't just take off and run in the NFL, because Cam, those LB's run just as fast as you do and hit twice as hard. Sadly the reality of it is, and this is were my stereotype on black QB's is the strongest: Athletic QB's don't last long in the NFL.

Now that I have openly confessed my stereotype to both whites and blacks regarding the NFL, we can move on.

You know what is stereotypical Justin Bieber's head on Cam Newton's body.

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