The Cam Newton and Race Thread!

[TheRealDeal]

As if I'm willing to sift through the 1000's of pages of QB "debate" to find those 2 gems :lol:

Thanks

You should follow me like this is twitter.

Why would you ask specifically about McElroy though? Kind of strange.

Since you haven't followed me :mad: my wish list is Palmer/Moore/Kaepernick for next season

[ElkinPanthersFan]

I listened to him on sirius radio yesterday and the guy sounds very knowledgeable about quarterbacking and offenses. I havent seen him or anything but what I hear from him is pretty good. If it wasnt for the college that he played for I think he would be a higher pick.

You can pick him since he's biracial :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[TheRealDeal]

I think that this door would have been best left unopened.

But I think black QBs have a higher threshold that they have to cross over to dispel subconscious stereo types that are an unfair stigmatization on black QBs.

I don't think any of it is on purpose, I think it is human nature.

Just for fun someone go through and pull the scouting reports of every black QB that has been drafted in the first round and compare it to every white QB that has been drafted in the first round.

Too long to quote it all but if you look at it without race in your mind, many of those players came from "non traditional" offenses and didn't show the ability in college to read a defense like they would have to in the NFL so it's not so much an indictment on their color but the system they came from.

Cam is the same way this year but so were guys like Colt Brennan, Graham Harrell, The Golden Calf of Bristol, etc

Meh.

[The Saltman]

You can pick him since he's biracial :rolleyes::rolleyes:

u got a problem with biracial people?

[riddel]

So. What you're trying to tell me is Cam Newton is black? I get it now....it's a black smoke screen.....

[ElkinPanthersFan]

u got a problem with biracial people?

Just terrorist who like to boing people's moms!;)

[Zcustom]

You should follow me like this is twitter.

Why would you ask specifically about McElroy though? Kind of strange.

Since you haven't followed me :mad: my wish list is Palmer/Moore/Kaepernick for next season

You strike me as a know it all type, but you back it up with facts so it's ok.

I've been intrigued by McElroy ever since he took over the starting gig at Bama. He played extremely well that year and I was impressed with his accuracy and overall play. I didn't get the chance to see any of his games this year so I was curious what the scoop on him was.

[panthers55]

No one below the second round is any better than Clausen. No need to draft someone who won't make the team or will get plucked off the practice squad. We did this with Pike already. 3rd stringers rarely get anny real practice time with the starters and are often a waste of a pick unless you already have your franchise guy and can wait for years for him to develop.

[teeray]

Too long to quote it all but if you look at it without race in your mind, many of those players came from "non traditional" offenses and didn't show the ability in college to read a defense like they would have to in the NFL so it's not so much an indictment on their color but the system they came from.

Cam is the same way this year but so were guys like Colt Brennan, Graham Harrell, The Golden Calf of Bristol, etc

Meh.

That is a good point TRD. I just went back to look at the scouting reports on Colt McCoy.

I looked back at about 5 scouting reports including ESPN. Not one made mention of concern in his ability to learn and NFL offense or his ability to read complex NFL defensive schemes.

They closest they came was that he sometimes locked into his first passing option.

Colt is a guy I like a lot but he sometimes can sound like a Texas bumpkin. Yet no one questioned him in the same regard as the QBs I listed in my post.

And I should note that Colt was the only guy I looked up.

[Zcustom]

No one below the second round is any better than Clausen. No need to draft someone who won't make the team or will get plucked off the practice squad. We did this with Pike already. 3rd stringers rarely get anny real practice time with the starters and are often a waste of a pick unless you already have your franchise guy and can wait for years for him to develop.

See this is what I was talking about. What if Kaepernick goes in the third and becomes the best QB of this draft?

Too many variables to be making these assumptions. Worst part is it's happening with posters whose opinions I respect quite a bit. Even Mr. Scot keeps saying "There are no QB's in this draft", I mean c'mon, nobody knows that right now.

The best part of all this is we can come back and look at these threads in a couple years and 99% of these posts will be so far from right it will be comical.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

That is a good point TRD. I just went back to look at the scouting reports on Colt McCoy.

I looked back at about 5 scouting reports including ESPN. Not one made mention of concern in his ability to learn and NFL offense or his ability to read complex NFL defensive schemes.

They closest they came was that he sometimes locked into his first passing option.

Colt is a guy I like a lot but he sometimes can sound like a Texas bumpkin. Yet no one questioned him in the same regard as the QBs I listed in my post.

And I should note that Colt was the only guy I looked up.

Here is one for The Golden Calf of Bristol from Walterfootball.. http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010ttebow.php

and Newton.. http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011cnewton_greg.php

[CLTPanther]

Someone opened their ethics book today

[ElkinPanthersFan]

Honestly, I think it comes down to being alot harder to read 1 and dones in College Football than College Basketball. Basketball does not have extensive schemes that will challenge them in the NBA that the NFL has. Obviously this has to do with the fact their are 12 more people on the field between both teams at all times. A body of work for Cam would have been nice to judge him when people were able to exploit some of his weakenesses and then make him beat them other ways. We will just all have to see.

[panthers55]

Honestly, I think it comes down to being alot harder to read 1 and dones in College Football than College Basketball. Basketball does not have extensive schemes that will challenge them in the NBA that the NFL has. Obviously this has to do with the fact their are 12 more people on the field between both teams at all times. A body of work for Cam would have been nice to judge him when people were able to exploit some of his weakenesses and then make him beat them other ways. We will just all have to see.

I guess he just felt after winning 2 national championships and garnering every offensive award he could, that there was nothinng else to do in college. And honestly staying in Auburn's system wouldn't have done him any favors and might have developed habits which are harder to break.