Several teams at top of draft seem interested in Cam

[paulSM]

ummm.... I'd take our last 15 years over AZ last 15. Just saying. I mean it's not like we've been suffering all that much. We've made our share of playoffs and made it to a superbowl we should have one. You make a valid point about us needed a big time QB, but it just hasn't happened. We tried with Kerry, and it didn't work.

Talk bad about Panthers decisions if you want, but please spare us the "I'm a poor panther fan who has struggled through all of our horrible seasons" trash. It's just doesn't ring true.

[teeray]

ummm.... I'd take our last 15 years over AZ last 15. Just saying. I mean it's not like we've been suffering all that much. We've made our share of playoffs and made it to a superbowl we should have one. You make a valid point about us needed a big time QB, but it just hasn't happened. We tried with Kerry, and it didn't work.

Talk bad about Panthers decisions if you want, but please spare us the "I'm a poor panther fan who has struggled through all of our horrible seasons" trash. It's just doesn't ring true.

When was the last time we had back to back winning seasons?? And I am being serious bc I don't know.

[TheRealDeal]

I am pretty sure he threw 4 passes. Some curls and some deep posts maybe. He definitely threw 4 extra passes. I can't remember what the other routes were off the top of my head.

(Teeray goes to google football passing tree) ;)

[Tarheels23]

From the ESPN3.com footage, Whisenhunt shook his hand after the workout, and Tennessee asked to see a few extra passes.

Could mean absolutely nothing, but both want a QB. Throw them in with Buffalo (rumored to like Newton) and Cincinnati (Lewis was in attendance) and that makes 4 teams in the top 8 picks who couild be interested and might make a trade offer.

All it takes is 1. I would love to know what Elway Fox had to say about it. They were there and seemed interested. Fairley I am sure.

By the way, Fairley looked awefully good.

This is just a Smoke Screen to counter our Smoke Screen! The truth is no one wants Cam! It's all just one big Smoke Screen! At the end of the day, when all the smoke clears, Cam will go undrafted!

[CAVSS]

ummm.... I'd take our last 15 years over AZ last 15. Just saying. I mean it's not like we've been suffering all that much. We've made our share of playoffs and made it to a superbowl we should have one. You make a valid point about us needed a big time QB, but it just hasn't happened. We tried with Kerry, and it didn't work.

Talk bad about Panthers decisions if you want, but please spare us the "I'm a poor panther fan who has struggled through all of our horrible seasons" trash. It's just doesn't ring true.

Do you realize how silly it is that we havent taken a shot at a franchise qb since Collins? How many decades should a team wait between drafting qb's, 3-4?

Players like Smitty Beason and D-will deserve to have a super bowl ring. I wouldn't blame them for leaving if the panthers simply refuse to give them a shot at it in favor of safety in mediocrity. I don't care how good a CB or a WR are they can't win superbowls without a QB.

[jtnc]

Heard the bills are really interested in him.

[Mr. Scot]

Do you realize how silly it is that we havent taken a shot at a franchise qb since Collins? How many decades should a team wait between drafting qb's, 3-4?

Players like Smitty Beason and D-will deserve to have a super bowl ring. I wouldn't blame them for leaving if the panthers simply refuse to give them a shot at it in favor of safety in mediocrity. I don't care how good a CB or a WR are they can't win superbowls without a QB.

Nobody is leaving the team just because they don't draft Newton. The whole notion is silly :nonod:

Franchise QBs aren't available in every draft. Teams have been known to take the best QB available in a given draft (Heath Shuler, for example) in the hope that they would turn into a franchise QB, and seen those hopes dashed.

If you're not sold on a guy being exactly what you need, you don't draft him in the hope that he's better than you think he is.

[paulSM]

When was the last time we had back to back winning seasons?? And I am being serious bc I don't know.

True. we've never done it (assuming 8-8 doesn't count). that doesn't exactly put us in a class by ourselves. and he compared us to ARIZONA. last fifteen years they have THREE TOTAL winning seasons. Here's our seasons.

W L

7 9

12 4

7 9

4 12

8 8

7 9

1 15

7 9

11 5

7 9

11 5

8 8

7 9

12 4

8 8

2 14

do I want more? sure. do I wish we had the patriots success? definitely. That being said. We're doing pretty darn well for ourselves. There's plenty of teams that would switch with us. critisize if you want to, but don't pretend to be a "poor tortured panther fan"

[CAVSS]

Nobody is leaving the team just because they don't draft Newton. The whole notion is silly :nonod:

Franchise QBs aren't available in every draft. Teams have been known to take the best QB available in a given draft (Heath Shuler, for example) in the hope that they would turn into a franchise QB, and seen those hopes dashed.

If you're not sold on a guy being exactly what you need, you don't draft him in the hope that he's better than you think he is.

I know that 99% of the guys on this board that want a QB are sold on Cam but I'm not on of them. As I stated in my previous post; im not sold on any qb in this draft. In fact i have more doubts about Cam and Gabby than Kaepernick (however you spell it) But that is what our FO is for. I just think QB is our biggest need and is also the biggest impact position in football. When you add those two things to the fact that we currently control our own destiny with the first pick you have to try.

We could trade down and pick safe and be happy to go .500 for the next several decades and obviously some people are happy with that.....(you know who you are.) But I don't accept mediocrity from myself, why should I accept it from my football team. (this last paragraph wasn't a response to Mr. Scott just the continuation of my thought process)

[Bj-Monster23]

Nobody is leaving the team just because they don't draft Newton. The whole notion is silly :nonod:

Franchise QBs aren't available in every draft. Teams have been known to take the best QB available in a given draft (Heath Shuler, for example) in the hope that they would turn into a franchise QB, and seen those hopes dashed.

If you're not sold on a guy being exactly what you need, you don't draft him in the hope that he's better than you think he is.

So if you were GM or Rivera what would you do with the number 1 pick Mr. Scot... not trying to throw shots or anything its just i Value your opinion alot.

[rippadonn]

We could trade down and pick safe and be happy to go .500 for the next several decades and obviously some people are happy with that.....(you know who you are.) But I don't accept mediocrity from myself, why should I accept it from my football team. (this last paragraph wasn't a response to Mr. Scott just the continuation of my thought process)

Well said

[mav1234]

There's a good chance there will be equal or better quarterback prospects available in the early parts (outside of the top 5) of the first next year just based on who is supposed to come out. In other words, while we could go with Gabbert or Newton, it may turn out that we could still land a potential franchise guy next year. However, I'm of the opinion that is not a reason to pass on a QB this draft.

If the Panthers aren't sold on Gabbert or Newton, you don't take them. I think that's pretty obvious. I personally like Stanzi and wouldn't mind if we took a flier on him in the third but I don't think it happens. As I mentioned earlier, just because we aren't sold on QBs in THIS DRAFT doesn't mean we will never draft a QB. So if the Panthers aren't sold on Gabbert or Newton, we aren't committing to the "next several decades" of going .500.

Instead for this coming year we could pick up a servicable backup, and see if Clausen/Moore/Pike shows significant improvement with a new staff dedicated to coaching and winning. Rivera knows he needs a franchise guy, but that doesn't mean he's going to force it in his first draft.

[Icege]

I thought he threw a couple curls and then it ended? What routes did we ask for?

I was going to be a smart ass and say HB draw, but then I remembered that we've got a new coaching staff.

[Kakarot]

True. we've never done it (assuming 8-8 doesn't count). that doesn't exactly put us in a class by ourselves. and he compared us to ARIZONA. last fifteen years they have THREE TOTAL winning seasons. .

Lol, the only difference between us and Arizona, is we have FOUR TOTAL winning seasons in the past 15 years. Not a big difference. LOL @ "we're doing pretty darn well for ourselves".

Looking at those records, we're right there with Arizona in the lower half of the league as far as records go. What is it....4 winning seasons in 16 seasons?

Shoot, I agree with CAVSS. We probably wont have the opportunity to pick this high in the draft again, and I doubt we get Luck or Barkley next year...we need to take a shot at our franchise QB now. I sure as hell dont want to stick with Clausen or bum a** Moore. Also, there really isnt any good FA QB options out there. I like Cam, and think he's going to work extra hard to prove all the naysayers wrong and become an elite QB, but I'd be cool with Gabbert also. Gabbert intrigues me as well.

I swear, most of the board was so ready to get rid of Fox and his conservative approach towards the game, but alot of people in here have the same mind frame as him. Continuing to be safe isnt going to get us anything but more mediocrity, and the occasional 12-4 season.