Newton’s pro day shows why he shoulf be No 1

[panthers55]

man I sure as hell hope Buffalo is sold enough on him to try to trade with us for him. That would make my day...

Could happen given the buffalo folks had dinner with Newton and his agents.

Yeah everyone would be happy unless he turrns out to be great and Buffalo ends up in a few Superbowls while we take our extra second rounder and continue to suck for years without a franchise guy.

[Mr. Scot]

If he was that unconvincing today.... why would someone trade up for him?? I think we might have some opportunities to trade down but it wouldn't be because Cam hasn't impressed (which would make little sense), it would be quite the opposite. Because many people think he is the real deal.

But if we are one of those teams that think he is the real deal there is no way we are trading down. That is why I don't see it happening. It really depends on what we think of him.

So you never know. So I am not completely discounting what you are saying. I just am not buying it at this point.

Because, again, not all teams see things the same way. And sometimes the differences are extreme.

(watch the Raiders draft sometime if you doubt that)

Reaching for a QB in a weak QB class just because you have first pick and a need is stupid as well. I'd rather bring on a vet and go for a QB when we're not picking the lesser of two evils.

Pretty much.

[davos]

Then why bail on Clausen?

Honestly, I'm eager to see Clausen with the new coaches. If Shula can straighten that goofy looking sumbitch up mechanically, we may have a Stafford type guy on our hands. Btw, I'm not saying this is completely good haha. He still needs to really sharpen his on the field commanding and overall mentality.

[Bj-Monster23]

After the combine it was all about Newton "not having his own receivers" (dumb excuse, given that no one else did either, but okay).

Fast forward to today. He has "his" receivers, a familiar setting, no pass rush, no defenders, and yet still managed to throw a higher percentage of incompletions than prior "elite" quarterbacks did at their pro days.

That doesn't solidify anything for me :nonod:

If we take him, I'll hope that it's the right pick, but I'm far from convinced of that right now.

I have to agree with you Mr. Scot on some points. But Newton did better then what i expected. I give him credit he has the potential to set the NFL on fire, the big question is will it be with the panthers or will it be with the Bills or another team maybe the Redskins.But I dont see him falling out of the top 10. Also I have to say between now and April 28 people and scouts are going to go back and argue who is the best QB is it Blaine or is it Cam. Also on Tape Blaine dont look all that stellar either especially playing at Mizzou. If you ask me some questions should rise about his pocket presence and decision making and why he didnt kill in the conference. But he could go number 1 i guess we wont know into the 28 of April.

[grateflday]

Hey look, it's a Cam Newton thread!

In it, you'll find:

- Indefinite statements about how Cam might not be worth the #1 pick.

- Scoffing at somebody or trolling the OP or anyone else who is pro-cam.

- Somone helping with the scoffing.

- Someone else Giving refereces to other analysts opinions, usually about other players.

I've yet to see any of you give any sort of reason to draft anyone else. Even if we "Trade Down", WHO are we trading down for? There's a good chance none of the better players in the draft will be around if we "trade down".

Consider this my final reply to the Cam-hate-club...

Game's over chumps. We've had the media workout... we've had the combine... we've had the Pro day. There's no other big time opportunity to show what he was or wasn't made of.

And through the whole process, he's risen from a "2nd rounder" prior to Luck not declaring, to the #1 overall on several analysts mock drafts.

If he was a disaster, or as big a "project" as was claimed about him, his draft stock wouldn't have changed. Several top Analysts wouldn't be saying all the positive things about him.

From here on out, pending a definite statement from Rivera or Hurney to the media about who is going #1 overall, the debate is over as far as I'm concerned. We need a QB. Hurney's said it. Rivera has said it. April 28th, we'll have the best seat in the house to find the best one rising from the college ranks. Right now, that QB is Cam Newton #2 - Auburn - Heisman Trophy winner, BCS Champion.

Fortunately our new HC gets it. Why you folks don't, well... to each their own I guess.

Welll said and worth repeating.

[teeray]

Then why bail on Clausen?

1- I don't think we do. I think he stays and has a chance to compete.

2- Clausen last year didn't have rookie troubles. he was flat out inept. He played in 11 games and was unable to even sustain a drive let alone show anything to let me say "okay lets see what we got here."

That is coming from a guy that defended Jake over Moore even as he was tossing 18 ints, so I am not a bail on a QB as soon as he struggles type guy (for the record I did get on the Moore bandwagon after he played so well at the end of that season). But there is a difference between struggling bc you are a rookie and what he did.

Even if he improves a little it would be to a below average QB god bless him LOL. I think the new offense might help him, but he gave me nothing to go on.

[panthers55]

Reaching for a QB in a weak QB class just because you have first pick and a need is stupid as well. I'd rather bring on a vet and go for a QB when we're not picking the lesser of two evils.

Who exactly is this impact vet and how many chances have we had to pick a franchise quarterback over the years. How do you know that we will find a better choice than Newton. Unless you pick number 1 last year you don't get Bradford. The year before you needed to be in the top 5 to get Ryan. Next year you will need to be number 1 to get Luck.

Again how many top 10 picks in the draft have we had in the last 8 drafts ?? Yeah 0.

Everyone has bitched for years about how we won't ever take a chance to find our franchise quarterback. Now we have the chance and nervous nancies are now saying we should hold off for a year or more.

If Newton is a top 10 pick he is a top 1 pick. With the rookie cap, the difference is really small in money. This is the best time to take a chance in forever. Last year the Rams gave bradford 50 million in guarantees to pick him first. What I hear is we can get Newton and will have to guarantee less than 20 million.

Outstanding.......................

[Mr. Scot]

If he was a disaster, or as big a "project" as was claimed about him, his draft stock wouldn't have changed. Several top Analysts wouldn't be saying all the positive things about him.

And heaven knows analysts never say positive things about guys who turn out to be busts :sosp:

[Bj-Monster23]

Because, again, not all teams see things the same way. And sometimes the differences are extreme.

(watch the Raiders draft sometime if you doubt that)

Pretty much.

I have to agree with that. But the question is will we have this chance to grab a good QB maybe next year or maybe the year after that. Ron Rivera is coming to a team who had QB problems every since God knows when.! If he plans on staying in Carolina for a while he better find a QB or he will just become the next John Fox. And have a winning season every other year and make the playoffs but lose just because we dont have a QB.This year is the toughest year to have the 1 overall pick. But we gotta hit if we miss this could set us back for years.

[mav1234]

And heaven knows analysts never say positive things about guys who turn out to be busts :sosp:

don't say his name, it'll ruin the thread!

[teeray]

Because, again, not all teams see things the same way. And sometimes the differences are extreme.

(watch the Raiders draft sometime if you doubt that)

The only way I see this happening is if we think Gabbert is a better QB and so we trade down to someone who we think wants Cam. To pick up Gabbert.

Scot keep in mind one more thing. When that team calls you to trade up they don't say, "Hey I want Cam Newton, will you trade with me?" they just make offers for the pick they don't show their cards even at that point bc you could turn them down and conceivably leak it to a team like Denver or Buffalo (if the trade partner is Cincy for example) and they would have a great deal of leverage.

What if for example we really love PP so we trade with Buffalo thinking they want Cam but then they unexpectedly draft PP. Well now your stuck going to another guy that you might not like as much.

So it is a tricky situation that i just don't see happening.

[davos]

Welll said and worth repeating.

"And through the whole process, he's risen from a "2nd rounder" prior to Luck not declaring, to the #1 overall on several analysts mock drafts."

That makes me want him even less

Right there says more about the analysts inconsistencies, the difficulty of judging spread-QBs through these cupcake practices, and the draft's unpredictability more than anything else

I honestly do not think anyone from Mayock to Joe the Bojangles clerk knows wtf they are talking about anymore. Mayock claimed today Gabbert has never, not once in his life experienced the pro-style system...seriously wtf

[Zithers]

cam was 50/60

bradford was 49/50

ryan was 48/52

10 >1 & 4

just saying. i've seen nothing that says this guy is NFL ready.

[Bj-Monster23]

cam was 50/60

bradford was 49/50

ryan was 48/52

10 >1 & 4

just saying. i've seen nothing that says this guy is NFL ready.

Just because there was a couple of passes drop or over thrown. Dont Mean he will be sorry and never be good QB in the NFL. Its going to take time and work ethic to get better. Its all about do you want to be good or the best,Everybody isnt going to be Peyton or Brady.