Newton’s pro day shows why he shoulf be No 1

[paulSM]

If Gabbert was worried about his draft stock, he would have thrown. Good move by him. It seems like he's been allowing Newton to showcase himself good and bad, while he simple is judged on one thing. playing football. not workouts, not interviews, no media day, no hype. just football.

[davos]

There's the whole establishment expectation of what a franchise #1 pick overall QB is supposed to "be" too.

If an entire establishment, please explain in detail..sounds interesting

[panthers55]

Newton showed exactly what he needed to do in order for people to consider him the number 1 pick. He is still raw and will be for some time. But he has demonstrated he picks things up very fast and can make significant improvements in a matter of months versus months. No one expected him to be perfect, simply to be improved over his performance at the combine. And by all accounts he did that very well. Lets be honest, we all agree that he isn't ready to start tomorrow buut could he be ready to start in 6 months or a year or even 2. You decide that by seeing how hard he works to get better and progression from one week to the next. By any estimation he is making significant progress over the past 8 weeks. He has the work ethic and motivation. By all accounts he has the brains and leadership skills to do fine. Honestly he has done everything he could to convince people he has the potential to a franchise quarterback. if we don't take him Buffalo will so either we get him at 1 or trade down to 3 and take Gabbert and get back our second.

So much for Buffalo's GM not considering 1 year wonders.

[Jackofalltrades]

I don't want a QB who might be ready in 6-24 months, I want a player who starts week 1 and has a positive impact. Neither Gabbert nor Newton fit that bill, IMO.

[rico6]

Hey look, it's a Cam Newton thread!

In it, you'll find:

- Indefinite statements about how Cam might not be worth the #1 pick.

- Scoffing at somebody or trolling the OP or anyone else who is pro-cam.

- Somone helping with the scoffing.

- Someone else Giving refereces to other analysts opinions, usually about other players.

I've yet to see any of you give any sort of reason to draft anyone else. Even if we "Trade Down", WHO are we trading down for? There's a good chance none of the better players in the draft will be around if we "trade down".

Consider this my final reply to the Cam-hate-club...

Game's over chumps. We've had the media workout... we've had the combine... we've had the Pro day. There's no other big time opportunity to show what he was or wasn't made of.

And through the whole process, he's risen from a "2nd rounder" prior to Luck not declaring, to the #1 overall on several analysts mock drafts.

If he was a disaster, or as big a "project" as was claimed about him, his draft stock wouldn't have changed. Several top Analysts wouldn't be saying all the positive things about him.

From here on out, pending a definite statement from Rivera or Hurney to the media about who is going #1 overall, the debate is over as far as I'm concerned. We need a QB. Hurney's said it. Rivera has said it. April 28th, we'll have the best seat in the house to find the best one rising from the college ranks. Right now, that QB is Cam Newton #2 - Auburn - Heisman Trophy winner, BCS Champion.

Fortunately our new HC gets it. Why you folks don't, well... to each their own I guess.

Cosign, The writing on the wall is apparent. You may as well put a big ass billboard near BoA stadium to get it through the people's heads that Cam is getting drafted. By this team, in this draft, as the #1 pick.

I'm not speaking anymore on this petty nonsense. Thanks for expressing this, BCG. I agree with you 100%

[mav1234]

Newton showed exactly what he needed to do in order for people to consider him the number 1 pick. He is still raw and will be for some time. But he has demonstrated he picks things up very fast and can make siignificant improvements in a matter of monthss versus months. No one expected him to be perfect, simply to be improved over his performance at the combine. And by all accounts he did that very well. Lets be honest, we all agree that he isn't ready to start tomorrow buut could he be ready to start in 6 months or a year or even 2. You decide that by seeing how hard he works to get better and progression from one week to the next. By any estimation he is making significant progress over the past 8 weeks. He has the work ethic and motivation. By all accounts he has the brains and leadership skills to do fine. Honestly he has done everything he could to convince people he has the potential to a franchise quarterback. if we don't take him Buffalo will so either we get him at 1 or trade down to 3 and take Gabbert and get back our second.

So much for Buffalo's GM not considering 1 year wonders.

man I sure as hell hope Buffalo is sold enough on him to try to trade with us for him. That would make my day...

[Mr. Scot]

After the combine it was all about Newton "not having his own receivers" (dumb excuse, given that no one else did either, but okay).

Fast forward to today. He has "his" receivers, a familiar setting, no pass rush, no defenders, and yet still managed to throw a higher percentage of incompletions than prior "elite" quarterbacks did at their pro days.

That doesn't solidify anything for me :nonod:

If we take him, I'll hope that it's the right pick, but I'm far from convinced of that right now.

[davos]

Hey look, it's a Cam Newton thread!

In it, you'll find:

- Indefinite statements about how Cam might not be worth the #1 pick.

- Scoffing at somebody or trolling the OP or anyone else who is pro-cam.

- Somone helping with the scoffing.

- Someone else Giving refereces to other analysts opinions, usually about other players.

I've yet to see any of you give any sort of reason to draft anyone else. Even if we "Trade Down", WHO are we trading down for? There's a good chance none of the better players in the draft will be around if we "trade down".

Consider this my final reply to the Cam-hate-club...

Game's over chumps. We've had the media workout... we've had the combine... we've had the Pro day. There's no other big time opportunity to show what he was or wasn't made of.

And through the whole process, he's risen from a "2nd rounder" prior to Luck not declaring, to the #1 overall on several analysts mock drafts.

If he was a disaster, or as big a "project" as was claimed about him, his draft stock wouldn't have changed. Several top Analysts wouldn't be saying all the positive things about him.

From here on out, pending a definite statement from Rivera or Hurney to the media about who is going #1 overall, the debate is over as far as I'm concerned. We need a QB. Hurney's said it. Rivera has said it. April 28th, we'll have the best seat in the house to find the best one rising from the college ranks. Right now, that QB is Cam Newton #2 - Auburn - Heisman Trophy winner, BCS Champion.

Fortunately our new HC gets it. Why you folks don't, well... to each their own I guess.

I think our HC gets that we need a QB so he's looking at the most hyped QB in the draft very closely. I'll say this to you as I do towards the other side of the issue: Why convince yourself so much that this is gonna 100% happen? Just go with it, trust Rivera, and keep an open mind. Why get so pissed about others opinions about who we may possibly get? That's just silly bro

[monstercat]

I don't want a QB who might be ready in 6-24 months, I want a player who starts week 1 and has a positive impact. Neither Gabbert nor Newton fit that bill, IMO.

So you want to wait til next year to draft a QB, but by then Newton/Gabbert will be more than ready to start, and there is no guarantee we could get a better QB next year anyway.

We are not going to a Superbowl in 2011 either way, so what's the difference?

[teeray]

After the combine it was all about Newton "not having his own receivers" (dumb excuse, given that no one else did either, but okay).

Fast forward to today. He has "his" receivers, a familiar setting, no pass rush, no defenders, and yet still managed to throw a higher percentage of incompletions than prior "elite" quarterbacks did at their pro days.

That doesn't solidify anything for me :nonod:

If we take him, I'll hope that it's the right pick, but I'm far from convinced of that right now.

If he was that unconvincing today.... why would someone trade up for him?? I think we might have some opportunities to trade down but it wouldn't be because Cam hasn't impressed (which would make little sense), it would be quite the opposite. Because many people think he is the real deal.

But if we are one of those teams that think he is the real deal there is no way we are trading down. That is why I don't see it happening. It really depends on what we think of him.

So you never know. So I am not completely discounting what you are saying. I just am not buying it at this point.

[teeray]

I don't want a QB who might be ready in 6-24 months, I want a player who starts week 1 and has a positive impact. Neither Gabbert nor Newton fit that bill, IMO.

You may be waiting a long time then. Manning should have been sitting his first year and he is one of the best of all time.

[panthers55]

I don't want a QB who might be ready in 6-24 months, I want a player who starts week 1 and has a positive impact. Neither Gabbert nor Newton fit that bill, IMO.

Actually the argument to not take anyone is pretty stupid given you want a guy right away. Since no one fits the bill if you pass on QB this year completely you can't possibly draft anyone until 2012. So if you get lucky and find that guy next year (no guarantee he wil be there then) by the time the season begins it is 18 months from now by the end of camp. Maybe the rookie is ready, maybe he isn't ready either. Meanwhile if you had been smart enough to take Newton he would be 18 months into the process and ready to be an impact guy.

By either plan we could have the guy we want in 18 months. My way we should be assured to get a franchise guy. Your way we don't even know where we will draft or who will be available.

Waiting actually may make it less likely we have a franchise guy for years not more. It really makes no sense to wait unless you can assured we get Luck and that is not a realistic possibility.

[Jackofalltrades]

You may be waiting a long time then. Manning should have been sitting his first year and he is one of the best of all time.

Then why bail on Clausen?

[Jackofalltrades]

Reaching for a QB in a weak QB class just because you have first pick and a need is stupid as well. I'd rather bring on a vet and go for a QB when we're not picking the lesser of two evils.