Newton’s pro day shows why he shoulf be No 1

[Mr. Scot]

It's not only for that reason. It's likely a combo of both.

We are doing due diligence and we are saying good things about him.

It really doesn't take that much effort.

We might decide to pick him, but if we don't, we want someone else to think we might so they trade up.

It's not rocket science.

I gotta wonder if some of these folks have ever played Poker.

[teeray]

I gotta wonder if some of these folks have ever played Poker.

Funny you should say that! :wink:

[Proudiddy]

Mr. Scot, I definitely would put more weight into what Gil Brandt saw than what Jack Trudeau did... JACK TRUDEAU?

And Billick has clearly had a personal hate for Cam from day one. I also don't want to take my QB advice from a guy who won his only Superbowl in spite of Trent Dilfer as the full-time starter. I could care less what Billick has to say. I used to think he was a pretty fair-minded guy and football savvy, but after seeing and hearing him multiple times over the last few weeks, it's clear to me that he has it out for Cam.

And Kiper might call the drafts pretty well, but it's because of his connections with agents usually, and he's able to fill in the blanks elsewhere. That doesn't mean he knows how to evaluate talent, it just means Cam's agents didn't put money in his pocket and Gabbert's probably did.

[mav1234]

And Kiper might call the drafts pretty well, but it's because of his connections with agents usually, and he's able to fill in the blanks elsewhere. That doesn't mean he knows how to evaluate talent, it just means Cam's agents didn't put money in his pocket and Gabbert's probably did.

This is possible, but what does it say about him having Newton going higher than Gabbert in the past?

[Proudiddy]

This is possible, but what does it say about him having Newton going higher than Gabbert in the past?

Either neither had paid or Gabbert upped the ante :lol:

And that one guy who was a former agent appeared on Mike and Mike during the UNC investigation stuff and said he had first hand knowledge of Kiper doing this... Getting paid, creating hype, etc.

[mav1234]

Either neither had paid or Gabbert upped the ante :lol:

And that one guy who was a former agent appeared on Mike and Mike during the UNC investigation stuff and said he had first hand knowledge of Kiper doing this... Getting paid, creating hype, etc.

Of that I have no doubt. However, it seems more likely Gabbert paid McShay and/or Mayock if anyone, since those are the two guys who have been consistently high on him.

I have no idea if Condon pays analysts/"experts," but yeah. Who knows.

[Mr. Scot]

Mr. Scot, I definitely would put more weight into what Gil Brandt saw than what Jack Trudeau did... JACK TRUDEAU?

And Billick has clearly had a personal hate for Cam from day one. I also don't want to take my QB advice from a guy who won his only Superbowl in spite of Trent Dilfer as the full-time starter. I could care less what Billick has to say. I used to think he was a pretty fair-minded guy and football savvy, but after seeing and hearing him multiple times over the last few weeks, it's clear to me that he has it out for Cam.

Oh good grief :nonod:

Tell me something. Do you have one single shred of evidence of any kind to point to Billick having any personal feelings about Newton? Anything at all?

Or is it just default to assume that if someone has something bad to say about him, they must have some personal hatred for him? Geez, it's not like Newton is the first or only football player Billick (or anybody else for that matter) has ever said anything bad about.

I have no great personal attachment to Billick, mind you. I'm just tired of seeing crap like this whenever anyone has a criticism.

Believe it or not, it is possible to have valid questions about Cam Newton without "hating" him :frown2:

[Proudiddy]

Oh good grief :nonod:

Tell me something. Do you have one single shred of evidence of any kind to point to Billick having any personal feelings about Newton? Anything at all? Or is it just default to assume that if someone has something bad to say about him, they must have some personal hatred for him?

Good grief people. It's not like Newton is the first or only football player Billick (or anybody else for that matter) has ever said anything bad about.

I have no great personal attachment to Billick, mind you. I'm just tired of seeing crap like this whenever anyone has a criticism.

NICE EDIT, removing the "dumbass" part. It seems I struck a nerve Mr. Scot. I don't think I've ever witnessed you respond to someone EVER using "dumbass" in any context. So, I appreciate that.

I did say I didn't care for what Billick had to say. I think I stated that fairly clearly. Why is it so offensive to you that I think Billick is singling him out? And to be clear, I never insinuated it was anything BUT a personal hatred for Cam, and not something bigger (race). Although in hindsight, hate is a bit of a strong word, especially considering the debate that always breaks out over the word lately... Some people just don't like other people, and that's what I pick up off of Billick. I watched the entire combine stuff with him when they were talking about the QBs. You can kind of pick up on things that go unsaid vs what is said and feel that out.

Eveything he had to say about Cam was negative, except maybe that he had physical tools, but it was a sort of throw-in comment because everyone says that. When they were asking what he needed to improve on and such, he just side stepped the question and deferred to the other panelists or turned it into an answer about another QB. Or he just didn't seem nearly as enthused to entertain the idea of him improving and becoming a good-great player. That speaks for itself to me. He might not be the only player Billick has ever trashed, but I've certainly never seen him go out of his way to "attack" any other players career prospects like he has Cam's.

Additionally, I don't see why your so passionate about sticking up for EVERY negative perspective and opinion that is out there on Cam. You also have some subtleties in your postings Mr. Scot... I've never had an issue with you, but for you to say my post was "dumbass"ery is offensive, especially when I didn't disrespect you in that manner (even though you removed it in the edit). I listed reasons why Billick isn't high on my list for opinions about QBs, not all of them, but at least one. And from my own observations I've witnessed some issues he has with Cam, whether it be as a person or a player, it appears to me that he doesn't care for him.

And regarding your quiet attack on our subconscious with your posts regarding Cam, here is a fine example... Being that you said my post was full of "dumbass" stuff, I'll call out what you've been doing in this thread - TROLLING. And quite honestly, it's a little bit out of your character. You usually seem to be pretty fair minded and objective about stuff but you seem extra sensitive about Cam. Perhaps the same issues Billick has with him... Maybe you just don't like his personality, maybe you think he sucks on the field, IDK... But, I'm just saying... And I've seen you do this repeatedly in Cam threads. People post links about how engaged the Panthers FO is in the process with evaluating him and then you google (I guess) and post 3 different sources of people trashing him in one single post. Jack Trudeau, Mr. Scot? That one had to take some extra work, lol. Then you leave it to stand on its own as if it is the gospel.

Earlier I saw another poster dispute what those negative reviews you posted and you got on the defensive about it as well. Then you make a thread saying "I'll Take Gabbert If..." Why not, "I'll Take Cam If..."? So, you automatically have already removed Cam form the equation in your mind. Additionally, you have posts like this:

"Yes we know. No one could possibly think badly of Newton unless they're racist. And anyone who disagrees with you is probably racist or "influenced" by racism..."

But, then you're always sure to throw in a disclaimer saying you could be wrong about not wanting to draft him. You have repeatedly posted you don't think we should take a QB #1, but then you made the thread making an exception for Gabbert under certain circumstances. But not Cam. So, tell me, why was it a "dumbass" move to post my opinion on Billick and the amazing Jack Trudeau trashing Cam? Yet, you have been peppering every single Cam thread with how race isn't important, no one on the face of the Earth personally dislikes Cam, and we don't need a QB period, then say you might would take Gabbert? And oh yeah, the frequent "bait" post for KT as well in any discussion involving race (The Cam and Race Thread).

So, by putting all of these instances together, I've come to the conclusion that you, yourself, just don't like Cam for one reason or another. But, as you said, that's fine if you don't like him, just say so. But, don't pretend that you're completely objective in the discussions either with incinerate reverse psychology "THERE'S NO RACISM HERE!" posts and trolling links degrading one prospect and not the other. Again, I'm not insinuating anything, but your posts are doing the talking for you and this isn't a "your a racist" claim, I'm just saying it's clear you have a problem with Cam and anyone who wants us to draft him. That's fine, it's your opinion, but you've made it clear that you don't want him for some reason, so your not as unbiased as you want to appear in this discussion.

[Mr. Scot]

NICE EDIT, removing the "dumbass" part. It seems I struck a nerve Mr. Scot. I don't think I've ever witnessed you respond to someone EVER using "dumbass" in any context. So, I appreciate that.

I did say I didn't care for what Billick had to say. I think I stated that fairly clearly. Why is it so offensive to you that I think Billick is singling him out? And to be clear, I never insinuated it was anything BUT a personal hatred for Cam, and not something bigger (race). Although in hindsight, hate is a bit of a strong word, especially considering the debate that always breaks out over the word lately... Some people just don't like other people, and that's what I pick up off of Billick. I watched the entire combine stuff with him when they were talking about the QBs. You can kind of pick up on things that go unsaid vs what is said and feel that out.

Eveything he had to say about Cam was negative, except maybe that he had physical tools, but it was a sort of throw-in comment because everyone says that. When they were asking what he needed to improve on and such, he just side stepped the question and deferred to the other panelists or turned it into an answer about another QB. Or he just didn't seem nearly as enthused to entertain the idea of him improving and becoming a good-great player. That speaks for itself to me. He might not be the only player Billick has ever trashed, but I've certainly never seen him go out of his way to "attack" any other players career prospects like he has Cam's.

Additionally, I don't see why your so passionate about sticking up for EVERY negative perspective and opinion that is out there on Cam. You also have some subtleties in your postings Mr. Scot... I've never had an issue with you, but for you to say my post was "dumbass"ery is offensive, especially when I didn't disrespect you in that manner (even though you removed it in the edit). I listed reasons why Billick isn't high on my list for opinions about QBs, not all of them, but at least one. And from my own observations I've witnessed some issues he has with Cam, whether it be as a person or a player, it appears to me that he doesn't care for him.

And regarding your quiet attack on our subconscious with your posts regarding Cam, here is a fine example... Being that you said my post was full of "dumbass" stuff, I'll call out what you've been doing in this thread - TROLLING. And quite honestly, it's a little bit out of your character. You usually seem to be pretty fair minded and objective about stuff but you seem extra sensitive about Cam. Perhaps the same issues Billick has with him... Maybe you just don't like his personality, maybe you think he sucks on the field, IDK... But, I'm just saying... And I've seen you do this repeatedly in Cam threads. People post links about how engaged the Panthers FO is in the process with evaluating him and then you google (I guess) and post 3 different sources of people trashing him in one single post. Jack Trudeau, Mr. Scot? That one had to take some extra work, lol. Then you leave it to stand on its own as if it is the gospel.

Earlier I saw another poster dispute what those negative reviews you posted and you got on the defensive about it as well. Then you make a thread saying "I'll Take Gabbert If..." Why not, "I'll Take Cam If..."? So, you automatically have already removed Cam form the equation in your mind. Additionally, you have posts like this:

"Yes we know. No one could possibly think badly of Newton unless they're racist. And anyone who disagrees with you is probably racist or "influenced" by racism..."

But, then you're always sure to throw in a disclaimer saying you could be wrong about not wanting to draft him. You have repeatedly posted you don't think we should take a QB #1, but then you made the thread making an exception for Gabbert under certain circumstances. But not Cam. So, tell me, why was it a "dumbass" move to post my opinion on Billick and the amazing Jack Trudeau trashing Cam? Yet, you have been peppering every single Cam thread with how race isn't important, no one on the face of the Earth personally dislikes Cam, and we don't need a QB period, then say you might would take Gabbert? And oh yeah, the frequent "bait" post for KT as well in any discussion involving race (The Cam and Race Thread).

So, by putting all of these instances together, I've come to the conclusion that you, yourself, just don't like Cam for one reason or another. But, as you said, that's fine if you don't like him, just say so. But, don't pretend that you're completely objective in the discussions either with incinerate reverse psychology "THERE'S NO RACISM HERE!" posts and trolling links degrading one prospect and not the other. Again, I'm not insinuating anything, but your posts are doing the talking for you and this isn't a "your a racist" claim, I'm just saying it's clear you have a problem with Cam and anyone who wants us to draft him. That's fine, it's your opinion, but you've made it clear that you don't want him for some reason, so your not as unbiased as you want to appear in this discussion.

I've used "dumbass" on here plenty. This was not a special occasion. In this case though, I edited the "dumbass" and "stupid" stuff out because, after reading it I thought, "that's too harsh and I don't want to say that".

And I don't really care whether you think Billick is racist or not, or whether you think Billick is a good judge or not. What I find silly is the notion that everybody who doesn't think Newton is the second coming does so for personal reasons.

Again, find me one single shred of evidence that Billick has any personal feelings about Newton. Or I'll save you the trouble. It doesn't exist, but you make it out like that because you think anyone who criticizes him must dislike him, and frankly, that's a pretty stupid thought process.

This is why Cam fans are annoying the living daylights out of people, because every time someone has a question or a concern you turn it into something personal. Here's a tip: Not everyone believes he'll be great on the next level, and the situation is the same with Gabbert, Mallett, Locker and several others, but people only "hate" Newton.

Sure, we all personally hate a kid we've never met and will likely never have any personal dealings with. It has absolutely nothing to do with feeling like he isn't the best choice for the #1 pick. We hate him because...well...we just hate him.

Gimme a break :frown2:

What it boils down to is you think Newton's worth the first pick. I don't, but since my opinion is different than yours, you classify it as "hate". And I guess you have no clue just how ignorant that really comes off. There's a few hundred guys I don't think are worth the top pick. Guess I must "hate" all of them.

Most of them aren't in the discussion. The ones that are, I express my opinion. On the flipside, probably better than half the threads on here are about Newton, so it's either talk about Newton or just stay out of the discussion. I choose to say what I think (same as others who have their own opinions).

I'm also guessing you didn't read the Gabbert thread, or if you did, maybe the joke went over your head. Criticizing me for that? Sheesh :rolleyes:

I swear, the silliness here has reached epic proportions.

[Proudiddy]

I've used "dumbass" on here plenty. This was not a special occasion.

In this case though, I edited the "dumbass" and "stupid" stuff out because, after reading it I thought, "that's too harsh and I don't want to say that".

And I don't really care whether you think Billick is racist or not, or whether you think Billick is a good judge or not. What I find silly is the notion that everybody who doesn't think Newton is the second coming does so for personal reasons.

Again, find me one single shred of evidence that Billick has any personal feelings about Newton. Or I'll save you the trouble. It doesn't exist, but you said it because you think anyone who criticizes him must dislike him, and frankly, that's a pretty stupid thought process.

This is why Cam fans are annoying the living daylights out of people, because every time someone has a question or a concern you turn it into something personal.

Here's a tip: Not everyone believes he'll be great on the next level, and the situation is the same with Gabbert, Mallett, Locker and several others, but people only "hate" Newton.

Gimme a break :frown2:

What it boils down to is you think Newton's worth the first pick. I don't, but since my opinion is different than yours, you classify it as "hate". And I guess you have no clue just how ignorant that really comes off. There's a few hundred guys I don't think are worth the top pick. Guess I must "hate" all of them.

Most of them aren't in the discussion. The ones that are, I express my opinion.

I'm also guessing you didn't read the Gabbert thread, or if you did, maybe the joke went over your head.

The reason I clarified the Billick statement is BECAUSE YOU were trying to infer that I was towing the "Cam Fan Club" line and because he spoke against him I am automatically screaming he's racist. When in fact, I'm not at all. So, just as was the case with your use of "dumbass," I wasn't making the argument especially for you, but I want EVERYONE to know that I'm not someone who takes or plays the race card lightly. IIRC, Billick had McNair as his QB his last few years there in Baltimore. Again, I don't know what his reasoning is, but to me, it is pretty obvious he doesn't like him, and I don't need your permission to allow that.

And only weak minded people would assume that was the argument I was making to begin with. And hate to burst your bubble again, but if you read any of my posts over the duration of the last few months on Cam, you'd see that I actually didn't like his pro prospects at all early on and the more I watched him, the more I started to see some great potential and got on board with us drafting him - but that may have went over your head, what? a person that actually takes time to make observations and then an informed opinion on this message board???. And I'm not saying that he will or won't be a great pro or franchise QB, but I'm of the mind that we do it because QB is the greatest position of need. It's high-risk but very-high reward if it works out. How many games did DT lose us last year? How many did QB? Which position has a weaker FA class in terms of fit with our scheme, age, potential, etc. That's why I think we should draft a QB, and Cam happens to be the guy with the highest ceiling according to many scouts and analysts, if he gets it right.

So, if you saw my evolution on this board from really thinking he was going to be a bust and was all hype to my position on him now, you'd realize that the strawman you're building is missing some limbs from the get go. What's stupid is trolling threads when you've made it clear what your stance is on him already and then putting words into people's mouths who aren't of the same mind as you, like so:

"but you said it because you think anyone who criticizes him must dislike him, and frankly, that's a pretty stupid thought process."

Special uninvited guest style. Let me know next time you plan on visiting the very inner core of my mind, I'll try to have the china out for you. That sir, is stupid. And making the assumption that I'm a "Cam Fan" based on me saying I thought your "sources" were either biased against Newton as a player or just weren't very good evaluators of talent, that is stupid as well. But, feel free to keep painting this picture of your ideal world where Mr. Scot is on his soapbox and we're all here each day eagerly awaiting your threads so that we may attain the highest level of football enlightenment and one day take our place beside you on the internet message board soapbox.

I'm not one of these "stupid" or "ignorant" people you so readily deduce everyone who wouldn't mind seeing us draft Cam to be. But, again, if that makes it easier to create an argument with yourself, go ahead. Because a lot of what your saying, I never said.

Here's a nugget for you - I don't think Mike Mayock is that hot on Cam either. Do I think it's because he has a personal vendetta and hate for him? Nope. Because he sounds very impartial in talking about him. He is yet another player that he has evaluated and this is how he views him - that's his approach. That's not Billick's approach. Look up some videos of their takes on him, I bet you'll see a difference if you open your eyes and your ears.

And where did I say YOU "hate" Cam? I didn't, IIRC, I said you don't like him for whatever reason. So, wrong again. And I won't waste anymore time countering those arguments, because, again, you're making them up yourself, lol.

You might want to read up a little bit on my stances on the issues before you jump to conclusions next time. Oh, and you're running out of straw.:smash:

EDIT: and since you added more to your post, this time constructing me as the entire Cam Bandwagon claiming that everyone who doesn't want him with our pick personally hates him, you may want to re-read this post again, it might click the second time.

And regarding you posting your opinion in Cam threads where "Cam Lovers" bask in his sure fire super-stardom, again, that's fine... It's your opinion, but you see what you've done here? All this because I questioned the credibility of sources you listed in a thread where Gil Brandt (a renowned front office guy) says we should take him. Hmmm... Billick vs Brandt. JACK TRUDEAU vs Brandt. LOL... How dare I?!?!?

The other problem is, you aren't just stating your opinion, your stating others to speak for you? So why is Cam a bad choice? Oh well, I'll just google people that think he'll be a horrible pick and post their opinion then attack anyone who still disagrees with it! From there, you lumped me in with the rest of his uninformed nut huggers. I think for myself, and I think he's the best choice for reasons already stated.

[Mr. Scot]

The reason I clarified the Billick statement is BECAUSE YOU were trying to infer that I was towing the "Cam Fan Club" line and because he spoke against him I am automatically screaming he's racist. When in fact, I'm not at all. So, just as was the case with your use of "dumbass," I wasn't making the argument especially for you, but I want EVERYONE to know that I'm not someone who takes or plays the race card lightly. IIRC, Billick had McNair as his QB his last few years there in Baltimore. Again, I don't know what his reasoning is, but to me, it is pretty obvious he doesn't like him, and I don't need your permission to allow that.

And only weak minded people would assume that was the argument I was making to begin with. And hate to burst your bubble again, but if you read any of my posts over the duration of the last few months on Cam, you'd see that I actually didn't like his pro prospects at all early on and the more I watched him, the more I started to see some great potential and got on board with us drafting him - but that may have went over your head, what? a person that actually takes time to make observations and then an informed opinion on this message board???. And I'm not saying that he will or won't be a great pro or franchise QB, but I'm of the mind that we do it because QB is the greatest position of need. It's high-risk but very-high reward if it works out. How many games did DT lose us last year? How many did QB? Which position has a weaker FA class in terms of fit with our scheme, age, potential, etc. That's why I think we should draft a QB, and Cam happens to be the guy with the highest ceiling according to many scouts and analysts, if he gets it right.

So, if you saw my evolution on this board from really thinking he was going to be a bust and was all hype to my position on him now, you'd realize that the strawman you're building is missing some limbs from the get go. What's stupid is trolling threads when you've made it clear what your stance is on him already and then putting words into people's mouths who aren't of the same mind as you, like so:

"but you said it because you think anyone who criticizes him must dislike him, and frankly, that's a pretty stupid thought process."

Special uninvited guest style. Let me know next time you plan on visiting the very inner core of my mind, I'll try to have the china out for you. That sir, is stupid. And making the assumption that I'm a "Cam Fan" based on me saying I thought your "sources" were either biased against Newton as a player or just weren't very good evaluators of talent, that is stupid as well. But, feel free to keep painting this picture of your ideal world where Mr. Scot is on his soapbox and we're all here each day eagerly awaiting your threads so that we may attain the highest level of football enlightenment and one day take our place beside you on the internet message board soapbox.

I'm not one of these "stupid" or "ignorant" people you so readily deduce everyone who wouldn't mind seeing us draft Cam to be. But, again, if that makes it easier to create an argument with yourself, go ahead. Because a lot of what your saying, I never said.

Here's a nugget for you - I don't think Mike Mayock is that hot on Cam either. Do I think it's because he has a personal vendetta and hate for him? Nope. Because he sounds very impartial in talking about him. He is yet another player that he has evaluated and this is how he views him - that's his approach. That's not Billick's approach. Look up some videos of their takes on him, I bet you'll see a difference if you open your eyes and your ears.

And where did I say YOU "hate" Cam? I didn't, IIRC, I said you don't like him for whatever reason. So, wrong again. And I won't waste anymore time countering those arguments, because, again, you're making them up yourself, lol.

You might want to read up a little bit on my stances on the issues before you jump to conclusions next time. Oh, and you're running out of straw.:smash:

EDIT: and since you added more to your post, this time constructing me as the entire Cam Bandwagon claiming that everyone who doesn't want him with our pick personally hates him, you may want to re-read this post again, it might click the second time.

And regarding you posting your opinion in Cam threads where "Cam Lovers" bask in his sure fire super-stardom, again, that's fine... It's your opinion, but you see what you've done here? All this because I questioned the credibility of sources you listed in a thread where Gil Brandt (a renowned front office guy) says we should take him. Hmmm... Billick vs Brandt. JACK TRUDEAU vs Brandt. LOL... How dare I?!?!?

The other problem is, you aren't just stating your opinion, your stating others to speak for you? So why is Cam a bad choice? Oh well, I'll just google people that think he'll be a horrible pick and post their opinion then attack anyone who still disagrees with it! From there, you lumped me in with the rest of his uninformed nut huggers. I think for myself, and I think he's the best choice for reasons already stated.

Wow :lol:

What's hysterically ironic is that you called Zod's post talking about how it was stupid to attribute inner motives to people you didn't know "the greatest post on the Huddle" and then you turn around and post that Brian Billick hates Cam (no actual evidence, it's just "obvious") and then you say that I have some personal dislike for him because I don't want to use the number one pick on him. And then you get upset because I point out the inherent problems in what you're saying.

As to my "ideal world", kid, you haven't got a clue. Message board rep doesn't mean jack in my real life. I've got too many real world things to deal with to worry about "message board rep". And if I cared that much whether people liked what I say or not, I wouldn't post anything controversial (or I'd jump on the Cam Train with so many others).

You really don't get it :nonod:

I post on here for fun because I enjoy football discussion. Though these days, the Cam Huggers are making it way less fun than it's been before because no one can seem to accept a criticism of him without getting emotional and acting like somebody's done something wrong by daring to question him :frown2:

[MadHatter]

I hate the scripted Pro Days. They have worked for weeks with the same receivers on the same routes. As one analyst said....if you can't shine at your Pro Day, you have no business being in the NFL.

[Proudiddy]

Wow :lol:

What's hysterically ironic is that you called Zod's post talking about how it was stupid to attribute inner motives to people you didn't know "the greatest post on the Huddle" and then you turn around and post that Brian Billick hates Cam (no actual evidence, it's just "obvious") and then you say that I have some personal dislike for him because I don't want to use the number one pick on him. And then you get upset because I point out the inherent problems in what you're saying.

As to my "ideal world", kid, you haven't got a clue. Message board rep doesn't mean jack in my real life. I've got too many real world things to deal with to worry about "message board rep". And if I cared that much whether people liked what I say or not, I wouldn't post anything controversial (or I'd jump on the Cam Train with so many others).

You really don't get it :nonod:

I post on here for fun because I enjoy football discussion. Though these days, the Cam Huggers are making it way less fun than it's been before because no one can seem to accept a criticism of him without getting emotional and acting like somebody's done something wrong by daring to question him :frown2:

Ah, this time the induction fallacy! Try to attack my argument here based off of a hyperbole of a statement in another thread and apply that one post to all of my posts. And please apply all of what you said about my posts to your own posts in this thread... I'm not the one that got "emotional" or "sensitive" about posts. You used inflammatory words in a post responding back to me because I insulted the credibility of your sources trashing Cam. Quite honestly, I don't gave a sh*t about Billick, Cam, Trudeau or anyone else regarding Cam and where he gets drafted. I have no personal interest beside wanting to see my team win, so whoever does that gets my vote. I just happen to believe that QB is the position that gives us the best opportunity to improve, and I've said that may Gabbert as well --- But again, keep painting your "Cam Fans against the world" portrait, maybe we'll all conform one day.

This whole back-and-forth started because you insulted me, called me or what I posted "stupid," "ignorant," and "dumbass stuff," even if you edited it, you made it clear that this is a sore subject for you. So, you might wanna check yourself and gauge your own emotions before you try to lump people in groups that are easier for you to keep seeing the world as black and white in.

And if you actually read Zod's thread, then you would know he acknowledged that MOST people, if not all, DO have actual covert biases. This is what I'm talking about with Billick, and again, I never said anything about race being one of his issues. That's why I said that was the greatest post on the Huddle, because he acknowledged what you exemplify but won't acknowledge yourself. I didn't insinuate anything about your stance on Cam. I didn't infer it. Anyone can look at all of your posts and see you clearly have a problem with him as a player or as a person... Whatever the case is, you don't want us to draft him but "jokingly" allowed for Gabbert. And again, keep in mind this whole argument was sparked over you rushing to the defense of people who are going out of their way to trash the Cam. If that's is their opinion fine, but I responded to those quotes because you have repeatedly gone out of your way as well to find negative things to say about him.

So let's say one of the Cam Fans gives their usual blind "Draft him #1!!!!" line. Then you come in to troll, as you have been, and google for several minutes trying to find some football guy that trashes Cam, then you post the quotes. I respond to the quotes and say these guys aren't the best evaluators of talent/QBs and that I believe one of them "hates" Cam, so I don't put a lot of weight in them. You respond by calling me names. Then try to flip it entirely on me and say my entire post was about me assuming he just doesn't like Cam. So, who's operating with some of those covert biases here? That's what makes it easy to assume you don't like him. And again, I invite you to look up what Billick has said about him, watch some videos of it, compared to like Mayock, then see if he's ever been this adamant against any other player... Good luck. Just keep avoiding the parts of my posts that completely obliterate what your "argument."

Keep trying to convince everyone else how objective you are on this issue, because I see through the bullsh*t. What is hysterical is that you continue to backpedal and ignore the fact that ALL of your posts regarding Cam show beyond a doubt that you do not like him. UPDATE: YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW SOMEONE PERSONALLY TO NOT LIKE THEM! It may be their presence, you question their sincerity/authenticity, or you may have other motives at work. Thanks for playing.

[The Other Colbert]

"Proudiddy vs. Mr. Scott" the novel

Neither of you are dumbasses, not one person on this message board knows who our pick is going to be. The best we can do is evaluate all these articles with a grain of salt, because in the scheme of things... no one knows until draft day.

I was really upset last year when we drafted Jimmy Clausen, I was sitting at home with some friends bashing how ugly and worthless he is... then we drafted him. But you know what? My team, the Carolina Panthers, chose to make that decision and as a fan... I have to trust they know what they're doing.

But fugggg is Clausen ugly

This is all out of our hands, and to sit here and bicker about it is silly.