Ron Rivera pays Newton special attention at Pro Day

[teeray]

8 of the top 10 teams in the draft order have legit QB needs. There, at this point, are only two QB's universally worth a top ten pick.

Numbers alone make it very possible, if not probable.

I just haven't seen such a separation by anyone to warrant trading up for. If Cam has been so good that he is in that high of demand, why would we not take him?? We want a QB that has been expressed by the front office.

[Jackofalltrades]

Supply and demand :)

I though an explanation was appropriate.

[Jackofalltrades]

I just haven't seen such a separation by anyone to warrant trading up for. If Cam has been so good that he is in that high of demand, why would we not take him?? We want a QB that has been expressed by the front office.

I think they're take Gabbert ahead of Newton, however I think the see the gap between the likes of Luck and what's left over. I also think Hurney wants more picks, particularly for the second and/or next draft.

[teeray]

I think they're take Gabbert ahead of Newton, however I think the see the gap between the likes of Luck and what's left over. I also think Hurney wants more picks, particularly for the second and/or next draft.

Luck has nothing to do with this draft. I would venture to guess his name has not even been mentioned in the war room since he decided to go back to school. He will judge Cam on Cam not in comparison to Luck.

If Cam (or Gabbert for that matter) has convinced them he is capable of being the number one pick they are going to take him. I am convinced of that. There is no reason for bringing him and go through all of this if they aren't serious about him. The smoke screen stuff I am not totally buying it because i think cam doesn't have enough trade value to make it this elaborate.

[Udogg]

Newton brought in for another meeting with JR. SMOKESCREEN!

Hurney declaring before draft they will select Newton. SMOKESCREEN!!

Newton agent and Panthers negotiating deal before draft. SMOKESCREEN!

Newton buying home in Charlotte. SMOKESCREEN!!!

Newton gets Carolina Panthers tattoo on back. SMOKESCREEN!!!

Newton selected by Panthers at #1. SMOKESCREEN!!!!

Newton in training camp. SMOKESCREEN!!!

Newton starting for Panthers. SMOKESCREEN!!!

[riddel]

Luck has nothing to do with this draft. I would venture to guess his name has not even been mentioned in the war room since he decided to go back to school. He will judge Cam on Cam not in comparison to Luck.

If Cam (or Gabbert for that matter) has convinced them he is capable of being the number one pick they are going to take him. I am convinced of that. There is no reason for bringing him and go through all of this if they aren't serious about him. The smoke screen stuff I am not totally buying it because i think cam doesn't have enough trade value to make it this elaborate.

Buffalo wouldn't trade up unless they feel like we are torn between a couple players and feel like the best way to lock up Newton is to trade up or they want to make sure Cincy or Zona doesn't trade up. Cincys only chance at Newton is to trade in front of Buffalo. Zonas only chance at Newton is to trade in front of Buffalo.

There are lots of trade partners who are bellying up to the table. The Panthers have to show full interest in Cam for all these reasons. The Panthers will not take Cam in the draft unless they intend to trade him, but he won't be our QB.

He will not be our QB.

[teeray]

Buffalo wouldn't trade up unless they feel like we are torn between a couple players and feel like the best way to lock up Newton is to trade up or they want to make sure Cincy or Zona doesn't trade up. Cincys only chance at Newton is to trade in front of Buffalo. Zonas only chance at Newton is to trade in front of Buffalo.

There are lots of trade partners who are bellying up to the table. The Panthers have to show full interest in Cam for all these reasons. The Panthers will not take Cam in the draft unless they intend to trade him, but he won't be our QB.

He will not be our QB.

Just honestly curious, what are you basing this off of?? Gut feel or something else?? Sincere curious question.

I still don't think Cam will have all these teams to just falling over each other to try and trade for him. If he is that good why would we not take him ourselves?? It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I am having a hard time with some of you guys that keep saying "It is clear he isn't worth the overall pick so lets trade him to these other teams that are just as desperate as we are for a QB that will trade multiple picks just to get him."

Either he is good enough to be drafted that high or no one will want trade for him. I realize that people will grade him out differently from team to team but with first round QBs you usually don't see them vary as much as other positions. Guys may fall, but usually go near the order they were projected to go. Sometimes they don't go as high as they were projected, but in order.

I just don't see it. If it turns out he is that good, we will likely draft him.

[mav1234]

I can not imagine the Panthers drafting Cam Newton and then trading his rights unless he forced them to, which I don't see happening... but it'd be fuging hilarious if it did based on the various "LOL NEWTON WONT REJECT CHARLOTTE LIKE LUCK DID" bullcrap.

[Woodie]

Yeah, but nobody is going ga-ga over Cam just because we talk him up. That's the thing about this smokescreen business that really irks me. If somebody likes him that much, it will have nothing to do with anything Rivera says or "leaks" to the press.

I've purposefully stayed away from these pro-anti Newton/Gabbert discussions. However, I do want to make one point about the smokescreen thing.

Based on what you are saying here, I may understand the confusion about a potential smokescreen. Nobody is saying the Panthers showing interest in Cam will generate interest in him...or even magnify any interest that a team already has. What they are saying is that if we put out the perception that we really like Cam, and are seriously thinking of taking him at #1, then another team that has fallen in love with him (i.e. Buffalo or Cincy), and sees him as a must have might panic and offer a nice trade to make sure they get their guy. Whereas if we don't show any or only minimal interest, then that team may not feel he is a legitimate target of ours and not have a huge sense of urgency to bite the bullet to try and move up.

That's the smokescreen part, but there is also another very real thing going on, and that is the fact that we may actually truly be interested. But if we are interested, is it enough to pass on a very nice offer from another team...maybe, maybe not. But giving the impression that we are interested at least keeps our options open.

[mav1234]

thank you Woodie, that is what I meant earlier but I guess I failed to explain it. :)

[Cat'sGrowl]

Newton brought in for another meeting with JR. SMOKESCREEN!

Hurney declaring before draft they will select Newton. SMOKESCREEN!!

Newton agent and Panthers negotiating deal before draft. SMOKESCREEN!

Newton buying home in Charlotte. SMOKESCREEN!!!

Newton gets Carolina Panthers tattoo on back. SMOKESCREEN!!!

Newton selected by Panthers at #1. SMOKESCREEN!!!!

Newton in training camp. SMOKESCREEN!!!

Newton starting for Panthers. SMOKESCREEN!!!

When did any of that happen?

[Snake]

I've purposefully stayed away from these pro-anti Newton/Gabbert discussions. However, I do want to make one point about the smokescreen thing.

Based on what you are saying here, I may understand the confusion about a potential smokescreen. Nobody is saying the Panthers showing interest in Cam will generate interest in him...or even magnify any interest that a team already has. What they are saying is that if we put out the perception that we really like Cam, and are seriously thinking of taking him at #1, then another team that has fallen in love with him (i.e. Buffalo or Cincy), and sees him as a must have might panic and offer a nice trade to make sure they get their guy. Whereas if we don't show any or only minimal interest, then that team may not feel he is a legitimate target of ours and not have a huge sense of urgency to bite the bullet to try and move up.

That's the smokescreen part, but there is also another very real thing going on, and that is the fact that we may actually truly be interested. But if we are interested, is it enough to pass on a very nice offer from another team...maybe, maybe not. But giving the impression that we are interested at least keeps our options open.

Phhh SMOKESCREEN

:lol:

[Mr. Scot]

What they are saying is that if we put out the perception that we really like Cam, and are seriously thinking of taking him at #1, then another team that has fallen in love with him (i.e. Buffalo or Cincy), and sees him as a must have might panic and offer a nice trade to make sure they get their guy. Whereas if we don't show any or only minimal interest, then that team may not feel he is a legitimate target of ours and not have a huge sense of urgency to bite the bullet to try and move up.

That's the smokescreen part, but there is also another very real thing going on, and that is the fact that we may actually truly be interested. But if we are interested, is it enough to pass on a very nice offer from another team...maybe, maybe not. But giving the impression that we are interested at least keeps our options open.

Good explanation.

I'm really not sure why people have a hard time getting this :nonod:

[SorthNarolina]

Screw Pi, there needs to be a smokescreen button!