Rivera Hitting Road For Newton

[MHS831]

Before the 2009 playoff blowup by Delhomme, he was one of the most clutch Qbs in the game. Yeah he threw some horrible ducks, but he always found a way to win....between the surgery and the Cardinals, Delhomme became a turd.

Every once in a while NFL network shows the Philly, St. Louis, and Super bowl vs New England and I am amazed at how good Delhomme/Smith/Moose were. Jake is probably the best acquisition this team ever made, with Stephen Davis being a close second.

[riddel]

Imagine you are RonMart (Ron Rivera, Marty Hurney) for a spell, as if that is not all we do here. The Panther's need to take a long look at Newton because his performance in the NFL, whether we take him first or not, is how RonMart will be measured.

Bill Polian is highly respected. Imagine if he took Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning. Many thought they were even at the time.

Bobby Beathard really had no choice because they picked second. However, his legacy is horribly scarred by the fact that he took Leaf.

Rivera and Hurney's success in this draft will be measured by Cam Newton's career, whether it is here or somewhere else.

I think they better take a good, long look at him. BTW, Gabbert's pro day is tomorrow too.

Polian and Hurney's names shouldn't be in the same thread, much less the same post. It's like putting a porshe in the same class as a kia.

[MHS831]

Polian and Hurney's names shouldn't be in the same thread, much less the same post. It's like putting a porshe in the same class as a kia.

Would you think that if he drafted Leaf? Illustrates my point.

[CRA]

Every once in a while NFL network shows the Philly, St. Louis, and Super bowl vs New England and I am amazed at how good Delhomme/Smith/Moose were. Jake is probably the best acquisition this team ever made, with Stephen Davis being a close second.

I agree. I would put Delhomme #1, easily the best pickup. Kasay, Mills, etc. imo are ahead of Davis.

[riddel]

Every once in a while NFL network shows the Philly, St. Louis, and Super bowl vs New England and I am amazed at how good Delhomme/Smith/Moose were. Jake is probably the best acquisition this team ever made, with Stephen Davis being a close second.

Yep. Davis really solitified the running game and made Henning look like a genius.

I moved to South Florida 5 years ago and Henning is in Miami now running his stupid draw plays and wildcat on 3rd and 8.....it's hilarious to watch a game here in South Florida...it will make you laugh. The only positive thing about a Miami game is the freaking hot latinos in bikinis all over the stands....I spend more time looking sideways and backwards than I do watching the fish.....

[King Taharqa]

Someone needs to brief Rivera that he's showing too much interest in the top QB prospect. We have to leave the illusion that we're not interested in QBs to keep the anti-winning folks around. He's gonna offend someone and make them mad and end up being called a "nut hugger".

[riddel]

Would you think that if he drafted Leaf? Illustrates my point.

Yes. He built the Bills who were dominate in the late 80s and early 90s, the Panthers who came out of the gate strong and made the NFC championship game, then he built the Colts who have had one of the best records in the NFL since he arrived.

Who is to say that he would have taken Leaf over Manning. Lucky for him he didn't have to make that choice.

I'm hoping Hurney doesn't choose between QBs this year, because there isn't a Manning in the draft. We should take Peterson at 3-5 and a second round pick from who ever is willing to give it in exchange.

[teeray]

I am guessing the defense there had a little to do with those wins, but I think he is a fine QB.

The one I don't get is Sanchez. I think he stinks. A solid QB in NY and they are donning jewelry right now. I guess environment and supporting casts are important. Who would have thought that?

If a guy who is averaging 23 tds and 11 int's that last two season isn't considered a successful QB than i am not sure what is.

I'll give you Sanchez he is still a enigma and i am not quite sure about him. But it is pretty safe to say Flacco is in the top half of the QBs in this league. i consider that a success.

[methodtoll]

and for the record, not everything is a smokescreen, most of you use this term so loosely that you are forgetting that their our 7-10 players that the Panthers are targeting with the #1 pick, how that is a smokescreen baffles me. Fact is, we seriously need a QB, I don't get why Newton or Gabbert are not in the mix according to you, because YOU think they are not worthy of the #1 pick? We really don't know who is really worthy of the #1 pick

[riddel]

and for the record, not everything is a smokescreen, most of you use this term so loosely that you are forgetting that their our 7-10 players that the Panthers are targeting with the #1 pick, how that is a smokescreen baffles me. Fact is, we seriously need a QB, I don't get why Newton or Gabbert are not in the mix according to you, because YOU think they are not worthy of the #1 pick? We really don't know who is really worthy of the #1 pick

[MHS831]

Yes. He built the Bills who were dominate in the late 80s and early 90s, the Panthers who came out of the gate strong and made the NFC championship game, then he built the Colts who have had one of the best records in the NFL since he arrived.

Who is to say that he would have taken Leaf over Manning. Lucky for him he didn't have to make that choice.

I'm hoping Hurney doesn't choose between QBs this year, because there isn't a Manning in the draft. We should take Peterson at 3-5 and a second round pick from who ever is willing to give it in exchange.

If there were ever a GM who I trusted to have an eye for talent, it is Bill Polian. Most fans agree.

Concerning Hurney, I am not a big fan. I think he has taken safe picks and not gone after a franchise QB like he should have. He neglected WR (Moose and Smith were not his picks) and DT as well (Ellison, Haye, Hayden, Irvin? Really?). These three positions are crucial. Sure Beason was a good pick, and DW, and maybe Gross and TD. But when he started trading away first rounders....

The positions Hurney drafts in the first round are a bit easier to assess than other positions. Give him credit for being successful with the picks, but his vision of the future and his inability to land core talent in three critical positions will always cause me to be critical of his approaches to the draft.

Hurney supporters will argue that he has good success in the first round. Safe picks. He tends to draft the fallers like Hardy, Jarrett, Norwood, Pike, etc.

In a nutshell, Armanti Edwards for the 33rd pick in this year's draft. Inexcusable.

[teeray]

and for the record, not everything is a smokescreen, most of you use this term so loosely that you are forgetting that their our 7-10 players that the Panthers are targeting with the #1 pick, how that is a smokescreen baffles me. Fact is, we seriously need a QB, I don't get why Newton or Gabbert are not in the mix according to you, because YOU think they are not worthy of the #1 pick? We really don't know who is really worthy of the #1 pick

I don't know if you are referring to me but I have been doing it as a running joke that every time some sort of info about the draft comes out I question if it is a smoke screen. I want the Panthers to pick Cam. It is just a joke. :)

[methodtoll]

I don't know if you are referring to me but I have been doing it as a running joke that every time some sort of info about the draft comes out I question if it is a smoke screen. I want the Panthers to pick Cam. It is just a joke. :)

Not really directed towards you.. Just those who take the whole smokescreen thing seriously...

[Carolina Mike II]

Ummmm....To me ALL this means is it sounds like the coach is just doing his job! Why would he not take a look at ALL the top prospects?