Man I hope we trade down.

[teeray]

Man I hope........ Hurney, Rivera, etc do all the due dillegence and come to the conclusion that Cam Newton can be a franchise QB then pick him #1. Otherwise I guess trading down would be fine with me, but if that happens it means they determined Cam cant become "the guy" and we are going to be depending on just Clausen and having to look for a QB next draft :ack2: Of course, if we want to be able to draft one of the top guys will either have to have a suck a** season again or trade picks to move up :ack2:

This has been my stance as well. I have said that if Hurney thinks he can be the guy, he needs to take him. I think he can be the guy but my opinion doesn't mean squat. Only Rivera and Hurney's opinion really matter and i think they will do their due diligence.

[communist]

Yea, that's a fine plan for making our defense, which is already at worst middle of the road, into a top defense. The biggest problem is that it doesn't address our offense, which is the worst in the league. Not as many offensive players available in the 3rd and later that will make an impact as defensive players.

yeah, but you have to face the reality that 2011 could be another losing season anyway. furthermore, i do believe that you'll have a solid offense in 2011 if the new staff can fix the biggest issue in your o-line.

and a rebuild should be always started in the trenches unless you have a shot on a clear-cut franchise qb.

[Highlandfire]

This has been my stance as well. I have said that if Hurney thinks he can be the guy, he needs to take him. I think he can be the guy but my opinion doesn't mean squat. Only Rivera and Hurney's opinion really matter and i think they will do their due diligence.

So if hurney thinks Cam is worth a damn then he is a stud? I am sure a GM some where signed off on Ryan Leaf, rick Mirer, Akili smith, Tim Couch and many others. Did it make those QB's worth a damn?

The guy is a gimmick QB in an Gimmick college offense and he has way too many Red flags. We draft him, don't you dare bitch and whine when he costs us lost years and millions of dollars.

[teeray]

So if hurney thinks Cam is worth a damn then he is a stud? I am sure a GM some where signed off on Ryan Leaf, rick Mirer, Akili smith, Tim Couch and many others. Did it make those QB's worth a damn?

The guy is a gimmick QB in an Gimmick college offense and he has way too many Red flags. We draft him, don't you dare bitch and whine when he costs us lost years and millions of dollars.

No. It means if we think he can be a franchise QB we should take him. Same for Gabbert. If Hurney thinks he can't we pass.

There are no guarantees at any position. You have to make a determination of what kind of pro you THINK he will be. Sometimes they work out sometimes they don't.

I it were easy the draft would be simple. They have to decide what they think. What you think means nothing. What I think means nothing. And if they pull the trigger he may blossom he may fail.

But you have to decide what pro you think he is going to be. Nobody knows for sure.

Andrew Luck could fail. Especially at the QB position there are no sure fire picks.

[Udogg]

So if hurney thinks Cam is worth a damn then he is a stud? I am sure a GM some where signed off on Ryan Leaf, rick Mirer, Akili smith, Tim Couch and many others. Did it make those QB's worth a damn?

The guy is a gimmick QB in an Gimmick college offense and he has way too many Red flags. We draft him, don't you dare bitch and whine when he costs us lost years and millions of dollars.

So if COACH Rivera or GM Hurney think Cam is a stud they can't be right? Will you wish for bad things so you can say that you were right all along and knew more than them?

If Cam goes through the process is interviewed mercilessly, does the drills, show that he can do what we are drafting him to do physically then I hope we draft him. If he can't do those things, or gives a bad interview, or anything of that nature then hopefully we won't. But to deny he has any talent with the "gimmick" offense crap is the same thing as ignoring the red flags.

[raleigh-panther]

This has been my stance as well. I have said that if Hurney thinks he can be the guy, he needs to take him. I think he can be the guy but my opinion doesn't mean squat. Only Rivera and Hurney's opinion really matter and i think they will do their due diligence.

Hurney thought Clausen was the guy too, remember.:beatdeadhorse5:

[grateflday]

So if hurney thinks Cam is worth a damn then he is a stud? I am sure a GM some where signed off on Ryan Leaf, rick Mirer, Akili smith, Tim Couch and many others. Did it make those QB's worth a damn?

The guy is a gimmick QB in an Gimmick college offense and he has way too many Red flags. We draft him, don't you dare bitch and whine when he costs us lost years and millions of dollars.

Hurney thought Clausen was the guy too, remember.:beatdeadhorse5:

No GM shoots 100% and it IS his job and in many ways the coaching staff, scouts job to evaluate and pick players. So if you are not going to trust them they why even have them on the payroll!!!!!!!!! So YES, if they guys you hired to evaluate an pick players thinks Cam is worth a damn you pick him.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Hurney thought Clausen was the guy too, remember.:beatdeadhorse5:

despite what the media cooked up, clausen was never supposed to see the field last season either.

[MHS831]

We should be able to trade down. If we have to take future (2012) picks to move down, do it. SF, Tenn are in need of a QB and might want to leapfrog Buffalo, Cincinnati, and Arizona. Have a 50% off fire sale. Get a second rounder.

Tennessee, Washington, and Cincinnati could package their disgrunted, outgoing QBs to move up. Depends on whether we want Young, McNabb, or Carson yet.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Trade down to 3-5 and net a 2nd rounder.

Draft PP7 or Dareus 1st, Kyle Rudolph 2nd = Win

[JawnyBlaze]

Either one of those combinations or AJ Green in the first, Marvin Austin in the second.

Trade down to 3-5 and net a 2nd rounder.

Draft PP7 or Dareus 1st, Kyle Rudolph 2nd = Win

[Catalyst]

Trading down is a fantasy. Why in the hell would anybody want to trade INTO this pick when everyone basically agrees there's no one player worth the #1 pick - not to mention the price tag that comes along with it.

If the wage scale were in place I'd say it was at least feasible, but even if the CBA does get done before the draft, the rookie wage scale won't go into effect until next year. No teams wants any of these players THAT bad to give up a 2nd and/or 3rd (much less a 1st) to move up and assume that kind of contract. If Luck were here, yeah, we could move the pick easily. He's not and nobody who is will generate the kind of interest that causes teams to give up picks to move up.

I wish we could trade down, too, but it's not happening unless they throw us a major curveball and the CBA is done before the draft AND includes a rookie wage scale that takes effect immediately. The CBA may get done, but the scale won't begin immediately. No way that happens. We're taking SOMEONE with this pick.

[davos]

All it takes is that 1 player convincing enough in his interviews, tape, & workouts for our coaching staff to fall in love with and do what it takes to get him whether it be trading a current player (cba pending), trading down, trading later picks, etc. We see it every year (not necessarily annually with the panthers)

[Peppers90 NC]

Falcons only had to give up a second to move from 5 to 1 when they got vick... and he was the consensus #1 exciting prospect... is there one of those this year?

nope, but i humor myself reading what people think we would or should get, cuz they can do it on madden or are reading that stupid ass chart. My biggest problem, is after the fact, when people get on here and say what we should have done and are mad that no raping trades were made.