In defense of the owners

[PrimeTyme]

Care to see how much of them are supported by evil rich people?

no where in my post did I say or indicate rich people/owners were evil.. those are not my choice or words, they are yours... whenever someone chooses to demonize the opinion they dont agree with it cheapens any chance at real discussion

I am saying I agree with the players and not the owners.. why are the players ridiculed for wanting more but the owners wanting more is them "just being good business men"

[PrimeTyme]

so they owners are richer so they are wrong?

no.. apparently they are rich so they are inherently right

"Only a Sith speaks in absolutes"

-Obi Wan Kenobi

[Millions]

KT may have a point...just saying

Yep smh

[chef17]

no where in my post did I say or indicate rich people/owners were evil.. those are not my choice or words, they are yours... whenever someone chooses to demonize the opinion they dont agree with it cheapens any chance at real discussion

I am saying I agree with the players and not the owners.. why are the players ridiculed for wanting more but the owners wanting more is them "just being good business men"

Good question

[Mvp2014]

Got damn! Two submarines!

wow. tell us how ya'll really feel

I mean, come on. Goons? Prison? SMH

Yea I guess that was a little harsh. All I'm saying is the likelyhood that they live the same quality of lifestyle is zero and that they have football to thank.

I know Haynesworth would be in prison though, 100 million and he's still too stupid to control himself

[Happy Panther]

indeed

[section543]

I completely agree..

I've never seen so many "have nots" defend the "haves" desire to be first in line to get even more

people yell about how great this nation is.. meanwhile we are cutting teachers jobs and simultaneous defending people getting bonuses who work for companies that had to get bailed out with tax payer money

The US is ranked 18th out of 36 nations in education (http://askville.amazon.com/United-States-rank-education-industrialized-nations/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=21721726), we import much more than we export... Sooner or later the guy coming in 18th place thats keeps shouting we're #1 starts to look foolish

the players should get every penny they can

Trickle down doesn't just mean that people with more money spend it on those who don't- it's a system where someone who was poor last year can be in that top 1% you whine about this year. They can do it by working hard, investing, inventing something, or yes, just getting lucky. The system you strive for where money is forcefully taken to try create fairness just results is mass mediocrity. Give me the occasional abuses of a hedge fund guy making $4billion over all of us having $45,000 and fighting over bread and milk any day.

[JeramiahCopperfield]

They are smart to unionize and not let the owners run them over. How much of a percentage they deserve is debatable of course. Same thing with SAG and Hollywood. If it wasn't for the unions the light and makeup people would not do nearly as well as they do. And Hollywood still does fine.

You can't offshore the NFL, so they should stick it to the corporation. Corporations hate anyone that hurts their profit.

[Rhys]

Trickle down doesn't just mean that people with more money spend it on those who don't- it's a system where someone who was poor last year can be in that top 1% you whine about this year. They can do it by working hard, investing, inventing something, or yes, just getting lucky. The system you strive for where money is forcefully taken to try create fairness just results is mass mediocrity. Give me the occasional abuses of a hedge fund guy making $4billion over all of us having $45,000 and fighting over bread and milk any day.

Again, a child-like simplification of economics. If it isn't pure capitalism, then it's pure socialism. Guess what? We don't have a purely capitalistic system, and have never had one. It's a mix of good ideas. It's not black and white. Stop reducing it all to, a $45,000 government handout every year.

Also, read this article that BruceBrewski posted in his thread:

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/57406-greed-is-good-good-article-on-cba.html

[jpniner]

no where in my post did I say or indicate rich people/owners were evil.. those are not my choice or words, they are yours... whenever someone chooses to demonize the opinion they dont agree with it cheapens any chance at real discussion

I am saying I agree with the players and not the owners.. why are the players ridiculed for wanting more but the owners wanting more is them "just being good business men"

simple answer: the Owners own, its their Private Property and shouldn't be coerced away by those who are employees to take more than they are worth in the market. Players have no equity in the NFL, yet are trying to(in some cases are) the highest paid people from the NFL.

The Owners take ALL THE RISK, the Players take NONE of the Business/Economic risk, say we are really going into High Inflationary(see latest gas and food prices) and another Great Depression(they are possible historically you know). And the Owners sign on to a bad deal then the Depression hits, Gas/Food and lack of jobs mean people are forced to stop buying the NFL Product, Revenues plummet....yet the Owners are locked into a bad deal and Forced to Pay out huge amounts of money to the Players anyway because they would have to honor the contracts(which players often times don't themselves). Recipe to go bankruptcy.

[JeramiahCopperfield]

simple answer: the Owners own, its their Private Property and shouldn't be coerced by those who are employees to take more than they are worth in the market. Players have no equity in the NFL, yet are trying to(in some cases are) the highest paid people from the NFL.

The Owners take ALL THE RISK, the Players take NONE of the Business/Economic risk, say we are really going into High Inflationary(see latest gas and food prices) and another Great Depression(they are possible historically you know). And the Owners sign on to a bad deal then the Depression hits, Gas/Food and lack of jobs mean people are forced to stop buying the NFL Product, Revenues plummet....yet the Owners are locked into a bad deal and Forced to Pay out huge amounts of money to the Players anyway because they would have to honor the contracts(which players often times don't themselves). Recipe to go bankruptcy.

NFL being popular is the biggest no brainer of all time. It doesn't matter if gas is $10 a gallon and the currency implodes. The proles will still somehow support their team.

[jpniner]

They are smart to unionize and not let the owners run them over. How much of a percentage they deserve is debatable of course. Same thing with SAG and Hollywood. If it wasn't for the unions the light and makeup people would not do nearly as well as they do. And Hollywood still does fine.

You can't offshore the NFL, so they should stick it to the corporation. Corporations hate anyone that hurts their profit.

so a pro-union, pro-coercion post with a Ron Paul avatar???

While I think this man is a nut of epic proportions in alot of ways, you do realize he is about as much of a 180 from what you just posted as it comes right???

[jpniner]

if Gas is $10 and a Loaf of Bread is $10, nobody will have money to spend on the NFL no matter how much they want too. Doesn't matter how popular the NFL currently is, Math would get in the way of wants.

[Falcons1stPanthers2nd]

The actual teams may not make that much money (Packers only made 9 million)

Let's also remember that there is revenue sharing for all 32 teams. Every time a jersey is sold or a commercial appears on tv when watching football the NFL makes tons of money off that. So the NFL is making money period.